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miata509 t1_iulexfv wrote

15 were hit in Chicago at a Halloween party in a park

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Nicholas-Steel t1_iulf8qv wrote

And? Why is a near daily occurrence news?

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slavicturk t1_iulfgek wrote

Knew this was going to happen somewhere in American tonite

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The1xide t1_iulh1wt wrote

Some people think the answer is more guns, we are fucked.

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Mr_Cobain t1_iulia2k wrote

Replying to Freexscsa (#416,290)

He is just referencing another similar incident here. What's wrong with that? Discussing the mere fact that this incident happened, in the same reddit post about that incident, wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

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DogParkSniper t1_iulj572 wrote

Replying to Agitated_Tell240 (#416,360)

More will help, though, right?

It's almost as if emotional-support guns, legal or not, are the common problem.

I don't understand being that afraid of stepping out in public without a gun. That kind of constant fear has to be exhausting.

I run to Food-Lion, buy my shit as quickly as possible, and drive home. No need for a weapon to buy dog food and a tub of sour cream. Simply because I'm not that afraid of other people.

Now, if I see the need to arm myself because the other guy is armed... It's the definition of a self-perpetuating problem.

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donottakethisserious t1_iuljw82 wrote

Since it's in Kansas, I'm just going to assume it's white supremacists since that's one of the states where they have the most of them.

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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_iuljwxm wrote

Replying to Agitated_Tell240 (#416,360)

How do you people not understand that the more legal guns there are the more opportunity there is to get illegal guns?

It's very difficult to get an illegal firearm here in the UK purely because there aren't that many guns at all. A legal gun quickly becomes illegal in the wrong hands.

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PM_Orion_Slave_Tits t1_iulkf6p wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#416,405)

Educate yourself. In addition to your laughable gun crime statistics there is also more knife crime in the US than in the UK, even adjusted for population. We just make a big deal about it and have a lot of campaigns to stop knife crime, that's why you hear about it more.

Edit: deleted a shitty source in favour of this helpful graph I found

https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl

Edit 2: Personally I think it's crass and disgusting to tout love of guns underneath an article about people losing their lives due to guns.

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NoDoctor4460 t1_iulkjbz wrote

Replying to DogParkSniper (#416,365)

Their televisions are blaring messages of devilish attack from all sides 24/7. When it is pointed out that other Americans, including those in the scary scary cities, do not live in that fear, that’s chalked up to brainwashing by the left. You can’t get halfway through a sentence before any utterance is deemed a lie even if every other country on Earth also believes said lies.

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Suppertime420 t1_iulkqwd wrote

Replying to The1xide (#416,311)

It’s already happening in Texas with the no permit carry law. They have seen a huge uptick of late night drunk shootings. No more fists just pull the blick and let it bang I suppose.

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nl_Kapparrian t1_iullv9x wrote

A Halloween in America without at least 2 murders is considered a dull affair.

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DogParkSniper t1_iulna9i wrote

Replying to Agitated_Tell240 (#416,375)

You replied twice in two minutes.

You know what stops me from shooting anyone? Knowing that I won't have to. It really is that easy.

But then again, my six-year-old child knows active shooter drills. That's kinda fucked.

Imagine if falconry had such protections.

We'd still find it stupid, but nobody mows down a classroom with a red-tailed hawk.

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DogParkSniper t1_iulnrep wrote

Replying to FHG3826 (#416,384)

More laws targeting the people who don't follow said laws won't work, either.

If the laws don't work as they are, they need to be redone until they do.

Wanna aim those laws elsewhere? People who want to solve the problem are all ears.

"Guns good, because guns" isn't gonna fix a damn thing.

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biokiller191 t1_iulso3b wrote

Holidays are celebrated with shootings in the US. What's wrong with our country 🙃

Edit: downvote as you please but name a big event or holiday recently that hasn't had a bunch of shootings

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CheesecakeMedium8500 t1_iulwmtg wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#416,405)

I’d rather be attacked with a knife than with a gun. I can run from a knife attack. I cannot run from a gun attack. If I have a puffy coat, I am protected from a knife wound. No such luck with a bullet.

Seriously did you not even think about your sentence for 2 seconds?

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trav110 t1_iulyf3d wrote

An American tradition

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noodles_the_strong t1_ium00zn wrote

So pieces of shit asked.to.leave a party they weren't invited to so they shoot up the place. Quality individuals.

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JeanGuy_Rubberboot t1_ium05xx wrote

Replying to PM_Orion_Slave_Tits (#416,390)

I agree. I had my house broken into last year. 2 shotguns were stolen. I'm a legal gun owner in Canada, my guns had trigger locks and were in a (cheap) safe. Now those guns are illegal (probably, thiefs were never caught, it is possible they have gun licenses).

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tominlaw t1_ium1639 wrote

Why is it that Noone is pointing the finger at the "gang banger" culture that is to blame? Snoop Dog killed someone yet he's on every kids show. It's not the millions of legally armed citizens in the great plains, Midwest, northwest, South East, etc. It's ALWAYS bangers and people who were already known to be mentally unstable. 99.99% of people who shoot people have someone at home who are not surprised when it happens.

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Chippopotanuse t1_ium1l66 wrote

Replying to FHG3826 (#416,384)

What gun law targets a “law abiding citizen”?

The one that bans felons or domestic abusers from owning guns?

What I’m getting at is this: What gun do you want to own that you are prevented from owning by ANY firearm law past or present? (Because the answer is NONE.)

Because “law abiding citizens” don’t need fully automatic weapons of war.

You can buy whatever you damn well please, and you know it. My uncle had a goddamn arsenal. Close to 100 guns. Bullet making presses. Anything he wanted.

No law said “hey sir…after NINTEY FUCKING FIREARMS maybe you don’t need another AK.” Nope. He was free to pour whatever cash he wanted into weird-ass hobby.

“Law abiding citizens” gun rights are absolutely not under attack in any way, shape, or form. Never have been.

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NorwayNarwhal t1_ium1sm4 wrote

Replying to Agitated_Tell240 (#416,379)

It’s harder to build a pipe shotgun than it is to buy a pistol, and you’ll only get one shot with the former.

The second amendment protects the right to bear arms, but it never specifies which kind of arms. Give everyone Zweihanders and broadswords instead

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greenman5252 t1_iumb4m2 wrote

Do they know who the good guy with a gun was yet?

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zzorga t1_iumd4dz wrote

Replying to Suppertime420 (#416,422)

> They have seen a huge uptick of late night drunk shootings

Have they? I'm not aware of any statistically meaningful rise in violent crime/ homicide in the other states that have adopted permitless carry.

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manbearcolt t1_iumhbrq wrote

Replying to TrainOfThought6 (#416,920)

I'm sure Clarence "I don't know what 'diversity' means" Thomas would have a completely consistent, good faith response to that.

And that's as far as I could get before the giggling made it way too hard to type.

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drock4vu t1_iumkmm4 wrote

Replying to slavicturk (#416,295)

I’m 100% an advocate of increased controls on fire arms and mental health assistance for people prone to acts of violence, but your comment is a cold take disguised as a hot one. Of course, in a country of 332 million people on a holiday where adults tend to indulge in alcohol you can expect someone to do something stupid and someone end up dead. Guns could not exist and someone would have died needlessly last night.

Your sentiment is fair, but unfortunately comments like this one are used by the opposition to rile up their patrons by saying we’re over reactionary and “we didn’t make as big a deal when 20 or 30 people were shot in Chicago last week,” or whatever statistic they want to pull.

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Fofiddly t1_iuml14h wrote

Replying to DogParkSniper (#416,365)

Tell that to the victims in buffalo just trying to shop. Guns are too prolific, yes I agree. Unfortunately though that means arming yourself sounds a lot more appealing.

If only the bad could be more effectively filtered out but the cats out of the bag.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iumm97n wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#417,580)

You want a machine gun with a laser sight, a noise suppressor, and a high capacity magazine?

Just as I would have guessed.

You are unhinged and need to check your definition of what “law abiding” people means.

You ain’t one of them if you need a fully automatic machine gun with a laser sight.

Omg.

Also - what city and timeframe are you claiming you couldn’t own a handgun?

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silver_sofa t1_iumo4ys wrote

Replying to Trtmfm (#417,453)

Well actually you kind of can. See there is this vocal minority in the US that refuses to acknowledge that there even is a gun problem. And they tend to vote mostly Republican because Fox News and the NRA have convinced them that the government is evil. So now the carnage is routine and constant because…..both sides?

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Wazula42 t1_iumq4d0 wrote

Replying to zzorga (#417,243)

So far no, crime overall has not meaningfully changed. Theres just been an uptick in shootings. That's what guns do, they turn normal crime into shooting crime.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iumr790 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#417,685)

You just want “the ability” to own one?

Nice dodge of not answering what you actually want to own.

And nice avoidance of articulating when and where you couldn’t own a handgun. Because I’m not aware of any city that EVER banned handgun ownership in our lifetimes.

There are cases wheee cities wanted to regulate whether folks could carry handguns in public, or with a concealed permit. (See DC v Heller, etc…)

But I’m really curious what city you lived in where handgun ownership was outright banned. And this 30-year struggle you talk about.

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duckchasefun t1_iun21p1 wrote

As someone from northeast Kansas, this being in KCK does not suprised me in the least.

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FHG3826 t1_iun739l wrote

Replying to Chippopotanuse (#416,810)

You obviously didnt come to argue in good faith. And you're just...patently wrong. Lots of places limit the type of firearm you can own and operate. And the laws are obtuse and arbitrary.

E.g. SBR and brace laws. These ONLY affect law abiding citizens, and seem designed to turn them into felons.

E.g. 80 percent lower restrictions. Building your own firearm has long been legal, but now literal blocks of plastic are being called firearms because I can build it into one.

E.g. Suppressors are safety items but require a 200 dollar tax stamp and a 14 month waiting period. Why? Movies, I guess?

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FHG3826 t1_iun7feu wrote

Replying to DogParkSniper (#416,480)

Gun advocates scream from the mountain tops with other ideas, but grabbers just want to confiscate.

It's not "Guns good," it's "guns are my right". There's a big goddamn difference. Dont strawman the argument.

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johnyu955 t1_iungrzt wrote

How come we don't call them mass shootings anymore?

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celebrityDick t1_iunvnsg wrote

Replying to The1xide (#419,504)

> That's a false equivalency, less guns certainly equal less people shot. Let's use Australia as a case study.

Australia is a poor case study for a several reasons. Homicide rates in Australia have always been pretty low compared to the US. Gun regulation have done nothing to change overall homicide rates.

Additionally, Australian gun buy-back and confiscation schemes received a 20% compliance rate - meaning that 80% of Australian gun owners have refused to comply. With so little cooperation, it's relatively impossible to tell whether confiscation has accomplished any positive benefits.

Another important problem with your thesis is that Australia and the US represent two entirely cultures - with entirely different histories and traditions. Comparing these two cultures is absurd on its face; it's the socio-engineering equivalent of attempting to jam a square peg into a round hole

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NorwayNarwhal t1_iuo5d91 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#417,541)

Well, fencing is exercise. That’s lawful. I’m getting me a bastard sword for home defense.

If I were a burglar or a home invader, I’d be far more viscerally scared of someone charging at me with a sword than someone pointing a gun at me. The gun isn’t brutal or imminently threatening in the same way.

(Some facetiousness is present, guns are scary too)

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KDRadio1 t1_iuo6ezh wrote

Replying to Suppertime420 (#416,422)

There have been numerous states that have passed those laws many years ago. AZ did so as of 2010, with the gun death rate decreasing for several years afterwards.

Not really saying it’s right or whatever, but there’s not a universal correlation in all cases between constitutional carry and gun violence.

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DarthVero t1_iuoe6lc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#419,859)

I wouldn't even stretch the truth like this for someone I was deeply biased towards. This justification actually made me ill.

Although tbf it does sound a LOT better if you say think of how many PEOPLE there are, as opposed to how many numbers there are.

medicine dosage:

> plus or minus 7x your medicine dosage is the same right? It's fine! Think of how many numbers there are!

Vs. People focus

> We really arguing a diff of 300/320,000,000 ? (~USPop)

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KDRadio1 t1_iuoiwq0 wrote

Replying to Suppertime420 (#420,620)

Gasp. Yeah bad stuff happens. Point is that tying it to a change in law before the actual data comes out is a bit bold. Especially when the inverse has been true in other locations.

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DogParkSniper t1_iuqj65d wrote

Replying to FHG3826 (#418,679)

Nobody wants to come after your shitty shotgun collection. Relax.

Sane people just want to keep the most efficient means of killing people out of the hands of the unstable and insane. Which, we're doing horrible job of so far.

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FHG3826 t1_iurcidn wrote

Replying to DogParkSniper (#424,753)

Yes they do. They say it all the time.

Strawmanning and poisoning the well from a losing position isnt a good look my dude.

The things you and grabbers writ large suggest wouldnt do anything to prevent people from acquiring firearms. So we need to address the root cause.

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