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Pickle_Slinger t1_jbh9ieh wrote

Reply to comment by Newt_Troll in Numerous arrests after massive high school brawl that sent officer to hospital by DeathCatforKudi

Parents are an increasing threat to schools. This is actually a big problem in recent years and it is happening more and more frequently.

https://abc13.com/amp/humble-isd-school-fight-parent-fighting-with-students-massive-at-atascocita-high-unlawful-carrying-of-a-weapon/12755378/

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/new-jersey/3-parents-arrested-after-fight-outside-nj-school-jersey-city-official-says/amp/

https://www.wmar2news.com/local/parents-fight-outside-of-arundel-middle-school?_amp=true

And so many more. I don’t know why it’s growing but it’s a scary problem that isn’t getting enough attention.

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inab1gcountry t1_jbhb4bn wrote

It’s growing because: 1. Schools can’t do anything meaningful about bullying if the bully’s parents don’t care. Kids are getting abused by bullies and schools have zero power. Parents are taking it into their own hands. 2. Social media has made it easier than ever to spread nonsense and get people riled up, including parents.

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JackOSevens t1_jbheor3 wrote

Knocked it outta the park.

From elementary on up, schools across much of the US/Canada have never had less power to enforce any discipline. 'Discipline' is a no-no word itself. In trying to correct past over-suspensions (a legit issue), very little exists now at any level to correct shit behaviour. And it carries on up the line to highschool.

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Locuralacura t1_jbhfllw wrote

What's crazy is when teachers are able to discipline students, parents have an easier time and don't have to discipline their own kids as much.

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JackOSevens t1_jbhmbco wrote

Yeah, teachers are the stand-in guardian (at least at an elementary level) for 6 hours a day so that would make sense. There's always a couple parents every year that zoom in to the school whenever a kid loses a recess though...

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ClassiFried86 t1_jbhxdoo wrote

I read that as "show up immediately at the school" but it's 2023 and I don't know if you mean "zoom call the teacher or principal" instead, and I could totally see that.

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creosoteflower t1_jbhhlj0 wrote

>very little exists now at any level to correct shit behaviour. And it carries on up the line to highschool.

and on up to elected officials and rich people

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Comfortable-Eye679 t1_jbi388f wrote

I was a bad kid. Punishment as discipline didn't really work on me and it just seems cruel. I was abused and acting out but it would have been very difficult for the school to find out and stop the abuse. Impossible really as I was trained to lie to protect my family. I just needed love and kindness. It really seemed that many of the teachers were abusive themselves. It's everywhere and it's very common and it's hard to detect.

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JackOSevens t1_jbj2gb0 wrote

Yeah this is called context. We've known for decades the same approach doesn't work with everyone.

Also, that's a shit situation you describe, but EVERY kid needs love and kindness. It's not unique. At the point where one student's behaviour repeatedly detracts from the class/school's safety (rare in general, but there's often one-a-school) you sometimes have to mitigate that one kid's presence temporarily for the good of the rest. It's not complex, it's just reality. Removing that ability helps no one...boundaries help kids.

Teachers aren't paid to infinitely take abuse and you can't expect the quality of education to be high when that's the case.

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atlantachicago t1_jbhqeur wrote

I think current parents are less mature and less civil than back in the day parents. My dad would never have brought a baseball bat to beat up a kid I went to school with , he wouldn’t have even dreamed of questioning a teacher’s authority. There are a lot more self centered, narcissists these days and they happen to have kids.

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RN704 t1_jbi0ezc wrote

I call partial BS. I’ve witnessed several instances of parents showing up to fight on their kids behalf. Granted in my day it was an abusive teacher or handsy security guard - but parents would show up ready to do harm (to another adult).

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PrivateRedditUser224 t1_jbiyrrf wrote

I have to agree with you and point out that those parents were raised by the previous generation that tended to be extremely hands off and is currently showing their true colors with their entitlement. They're the fruit of the works of previous generations.

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RebTilian t1_jbhnvuf wrote

You forgot that Schools can't do anything because of Parents in the first place. Parents are the ones who sued the living hell out of schools and now those same types of parents are complaining the schools aren't doing anything. Which is true, because the schools don't want to get sued.

When it comes down to it, its like 95% parents that are the problem.

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edingerc t1_jbhz2qr wrote

>if the bully’s parents don’t care

Often times, bullies come from a line of parental abuse. If the parents in such a case do care, it only makes the problem worse, as it gives them another reason to physically abuse their kids.

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mces97 t1_jbhftxr wrote

I saw an Instagram reel where some woman was talking at maybe a city council meeting. She said she was told she had to send requests for things like the curriculum for her kids class. Mind you, this is a kindergarten class. She said they sued her and had a whole 5 hour meeting about her. This parent also said she sent 100s of requests. Not 100 (which is still batshit insane to me) but 100s. What the hell are you asking about kindergarten? And so many people defending her of course. Like no, she's not playing with a full deck and sounds like serious harassment on her part.

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vampireRN t1_jbhm8su wrote

The woman is crazy for asking about her kid’s curriculum? I confess I don’t know the whole story but why did she have to request it more than 100 times?

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mces97 t1_jbhmmpn wrote

No, she's not crazy for wanting to know what her kids will be doing, learning in class. She's crazy because she put in 100s, plural of requests. For a Kindergarten class. Like, you don't find that a bit much and borderline criminal harassment?

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Trugdigity t1_jbhnl0o wrote

Did they answer any of her requests?

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mces97 t1_jbhnyy8 wrote

I have no clue. It was just her side of the story. It was a short clip. I'm sure they did. But she just kept going on and on. She was talking about gender ideology and grooming. So... She one of those people.

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seafloof t1_jbhuqba wrote

I’m pretty sure that wasn’t in the curriculum.

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Botboy141 t1_jbhu1yh wrote

> I don’t know why it’s growing

Our society is more global than ever. "Community" no longer exists. People live how they want, regardless of their impact on others (what's best for me, what's best for my family).

It used to be what's best for me, my family, my community, my nation, humanity, the world. Less and less people have an interest in those last few and some people don't care about the first few either.

Can blame internet, capitalism, billionaires, GOP, dems, commies, doesn't matter. Until we're all forced into a position to put societal needs above our own, things will worsen, not improve. I fear by the time humanity is forced to do that, it'll already be too late (perhaps it is, but I'm hopeful human ingenuity can still surprise us).

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kyleofdevry t1_jbhi1r6 wrote

So, what's the solution? Start taking away their right to raise and influence their kids, but still require them to pay child support? It's a serious problem and needs to be dealt with. People need to get their shit together and act right or take that bad attitude back to the streets because schools ain't the place for it.

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