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Mundane-Ad-3142 t1_jaswt9v wrote

Reply to comment by sickofthisshit in Billboards advise on how to get abortion pills in US states where procedure is banned | Abortion by BigClitMcphee

The opinion you expressed is something I see quite often. A lot of people share this view. My question to you is, why do 'they' want to punish, oppress, etc women? What do they gain from that?

It's never made sense to me but then again I haven't looked into it.

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sickofthisshit t1_jasyori wrote

For some reason, conservatives are generally dedicated to a power structure which puts some people over others: this usually includes patriarchy. A woman or girl in this view exists only to obey rules subjugating them to men, and their reproductive rights are limited to what men want from them.

A woman or girl who gets pregnant, in their mind, is now bound to incubate and raise the child in service of the patriarchy. If she was raped? Well, doesn't matter, a man was taking what belongs to him, the woman doesn't have the right to refuse.

The pregnancy is ectopic? Who cares, she's barely human, some other woman or girl will have to take her place after she dies in agony. As she is dying, she can take some pleasure in thinking of the children she bore and will leave behind, which will make her slightly more memorable to her widower.

Women have been dying in childbirth for millions of years; in a conservative's mind, that is how God ordered the world. Giving them modern medical care is a luxury, better spent giving the patriarch treatment for ED or whatever else he needs to keep himself alive and fertilizing brood mares.

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DankyMcDankface420 t1_jat6m7d wrote

To add, they're often hypocritical. If it's their own loved ones or a member of their in-group the abortion is acceptable/moral. Ya know, The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion. Even worse, the hypocrisy is pretty much a feature due to in-group loyalty (and purity/sanctity to a lesser extent) being a significant moral foundation. They will see themselves (or their in-group) as good righteous people who need an abortion while others/out-groups are bad people who use abortion as "birth control".

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CloudsOntheBrain t1_jat03h7 wrote

Well, I asked my aunt, who is religious and staunchly anti-abortion (despite having gotten one herself in her younger years), if she felt that women with unwanted pregnancies should be "punished" by being refused abortions.

She said yes. It's a consequence for having sex. If you didn't want to be pregnant, you shouldn't have had sex (or been raped, apparently). So there are people out there who really do feel this way, even if all they get out of it is a sense of "justice" for punishing a perceived sin.

In my aunt's defense, she also believes the unborn fetus is the same as a child, and I think she feels guilt over aborting her own pregnancy in the past. So her beliefs are at least nuanced in that way. But I couldn't get her to understand that saddling a child with the weight of being unwanted, and a punishment to their parents of all things, is unbelievably cruel. And she didn't care to hear about how high the abuse rate is in homes with unwanted children, or in foster homes. Or how overburdened the adoption system is.

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Standard_Gauge t1_jat2e96 wrote

> if she felt that women with unwanted pregnancies should be "punished" by being refused abortions.

> She said yes. It's a consequence for having sex. If you didn't want to be pregnant, you shouldn't have had sex.

Your aunt, like many anti-choice zealots, seems to believe that the only women who seek abortions are "loose" single women who have casual sex with multiple men. I wish someone would bonk these people over the head with the FACT that a very large percentage of women seeking pregnancy termination are in long term monogamous relationships, many in fact married, and most have children at home. Do these people really believe that married couples should stop having sex after the two (or whatever) children that they can afford are born???

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Blighted_Smile t1_jat9q9q wrote

Your aunt wants to deprive women of a right that she had and used. Her guilt does not excuse that. She wants women punished for the exact thing she did. True "the only moral abortion is my abortion." Sorry, but at least in this she's an awful person.

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CloudsOntheBrain t1_jata8bh wrote

Oh, she's for sure a hypocrite, and I agree entirely. I just think there's some cognitive dissonance between what she thinks she's advocating for and the reality of her stance.

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nevertoomuchthought t1_jat18ft wrote

I don't know your aunt but I'd bet dollars to donuts she's an unfuckable hag who nobody worth a damn would ever want to impregnate intentionally.

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Bovolt t1_jaujccc wrote

Psh. And they say only conservatives hate women!

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pinetreesgreen t1_jasxddo wrote

Makes them feel powerful. Same reason why anyone wants power over anyone else. If they are in change of what women are doing they can make them do what they want, like stay home, be indebted to husbands, stay under their control. See "keep sweet" movement.

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mrm00r3 t1_jat3y88 wrote

There’s two groups in modern conservatism, one is motivated by money and the other is motivated by money and religious extremism. To these ends, maintaining a large enough unemployed population that is reinforced by low-income births helps suppress the cost of labor, and if they have to let the religious people marry a middle schooler here and there to guarantee the vote, so be it.

In the end, the thing that they presume to gain from the heinous shit they do is money 90% of the time, stupidity, error, and religious fervor account for the rest.

Fascists aren’t obliged to make sense to an outside observer.

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Sovrin1 t1_jaxfq1s wrote

They like how it makes their emotions feel.

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sickofthisshit t1_jatssdw wrote

The problem is that people can inform themselves in many ways other than posting comments on Reddit threads. It's a basic civic responsibility to inform yourself, not just lazily ask Redditors to do it for you.

It's borderline trolling, because lots of disingenuous trolls do the "just asking questions" routine over and over without any interest in actually learning or forming an opinion.

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Mundane-Ad-3142 t1_jat8ply wrote

This is the Reddit way! I'd say give my post more time before seeing the upvote increase. Thanks for being the first!

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