boringhistoryfan t1_ja6qpgm wrote
Unfortunately I can't blame the parents for going along with this. If you and your children are in Russian custody, what else would you do? It's not like the Russians are above straight up kidnapping or even killing the kids. Even if they were the staunchest anti Russians, I doubt they had a choice here. There's a reason Russia is using kids and not adults for these displays. Easy to threaten both, whereas a captured adult might still go rogue. Confused and terrified kids aren't likely to, and their parents will be too concerned for the safety of their babies to risk anything either. Any parent would.
FeuerroteZora t1_ja6vb4j wrote
That's not even getting into the fact that they've abducted tons of kids without their parents and are evidently "re-educating" them - some of these kids might be in that situation, without even a parent for safety. Of course they're going to do what they're told.
boringhistoryfan t1_ja6veuw wrote
Yeah. For the kids there without parents there's no question of blame at all. They're kids. This is why it's supposed to be a crime against humanity to do this.
Leading_Ad9610 t1_ja75sqp wrote
Also remember Russia has a fucking huge population gap in the 20-45 bracket…. Like seriously low… they’re abducting and re-educating kids to fill that void. Pretty much a lot of people born in the 70’s to 80’s fucked off real fast when the iron curtain fell… and they never really recovered… who knows what this war will do to that bracket now… you could be looking at the only way Russia has to persevere it’s population…
SimpleSyrupLime t1_ja8mvo9 wrote
I feel like that’s a stretch. Even if losses were 300,000, and then maybe a million left the country not to participate in the war, that would probably only half of a percentage point of the population of that age group
Basas t1_ja93j23 wrote
1.3m is almost 1% of all age groups in Russia.
nowthengoodbad t1_ja8plai wrote
You might enjoy this short book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Children's_Story
Miserable_Law_6514 t1_ja7grzx wrote
> It's not like the Russians are above straight up kidnapping or even killing the kids.
They have torture sites specifically for children in occupied Ukraine. There's also been lots of rape.
SuperstitiousPigeon5 t1_ja8rihu wrote
Rape has been Russia's bread and butter pretty much forever. Though they really did kick into high gear in WWII.
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oldgeek123 t1_ja8xtuk wrote
Russia is well known for it's use of rape to terrorize the people they are invading.
cry_havyc t1_jaaa6lp wrote
Rape is a prevalent form of hazing in Russian Military too.
loopsygonegirl t1_ja70kiq wrote
> what else would you do?
I think quite some people would naively answer this question with 'I would fight'. The whole gun ownership logic in the US is based on that rational. From the safety we are in, it is quite easy to imagine we will be brave and resist. But in the end of day most of us (at least I know I will be) are cowards with just the will to survive/live, even if it means betraying ourselves/country.
boringhistoryfan t1_ja70r1g wrote
Thing is, i can still imagine them saying that if it was just adults. Indeed many did. But once you have kids? And the occupying power can threaten those kids?
Even if the parents are eager to fight, hate collaborating... I can't hate them for it. They aren't the ones facing risk here. Their kids are too. "I would fight" is that much harder to say when your child is also in the power of the one you want to fight. When that power can threaten to kidnap or murder your child as much as you.
I imagine most parents, if forced to choose between their country and their children will choose their children. And I would never blame them for it
loopsygonegirl t1_ja7i05x wrote
That is my whole point? When it comes to right to bear arms, the argument 'I need it against arbitrary government/a tyranny' is often used. And that is the whole problem I am pointing out. I don't think those/most people take into account that a tyrant government will go after your kids (or you as a person for that matter), making it very hard to actually pick up arms. Like I said, it is easy to claim something when you are not in danger. We all imagine to be heros from the safety we are in, but when it really comes down to that moment I doubt most of us are those heros.
I don't understand where the 'I can't hate them for it' part comes from and I prefer to leave it out. I am just explaining why it is normal and human to do it like that... taking a hate into any discussionis so polarizing.
boringhistoryfan t1_ja7i2js wrote
Wasn't arguing with you. Just adding to it.
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Witchgrass t1_ja76luw wrote
Uhhhhhh I don’t think their parents went along with it
boringhistoryfan t1_ja76ojx wrote
The article talks about survivors from the city speculating about their parents doing that.
Trance354 t1_ja8fpz7 wrote
Parents aren't there. These are the kidnapped kids. If you were wondering what happened to them, you can stop wondering.
I'd very much guess there are more kids behind the stage with guns to their heads. "Do what we tell you or your new BFF is dead, and it'll be your fault."
Putin blew up his own people to get into power, what's a few more foreign kids' blood on his hands?
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