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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_j9ymhhh wrote

Reply to comment by SacrificialPwn in Measles case tied to Asbury University revival by Loverlee

I mean I do energy work, and pray, and use stones. I also know that science is real and am fully vaccinated. You use whatever works, but you make a commitment to not be stupid.

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kslusherplantman t1_j9ywpy8 wrote

Umm… what proof do you have the stones work?

Prayer has long been proven in the scientific sense, and energy work is in of the oldest things humans do. See kung fu, tai chi, etc

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AnimalNo5205 t1_j9zlzul wrote

“Prayer has long been proven in the scientific sense” is a sentence that means nothing

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kslusherplantman t1_j9zrfwm wrote

Not true, prayer has the same benefits as meditation. They have done fMRI scans and the exact same regions are active during both.

I wasn’t saying prayer itself worked and has been proven….

but there is a physical reaction in us that is the same as meditation, and has the same benefits mentally as meditation.

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SatanicNotMessianic t1_ja04xq3 wrote

Prayer has been disproven to work as per the Templeton study. The Templeton Foundation exists to fund research that demonstrates scientifically the validity of religious (particularly Christian, but they’re nominally nondenominational) belief.

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_j9z2hsd wrote

I don't have any proof that I do, my feeling is that they do what is stated. All I know is that I'm not dead yet. And they act as focusing aids when meditating. Ritual actions are essential for the creative adhd mind. At least for me. I am also still a lover of science and technology. I see these emerging systems as heralds of the advancement and perhaps salvation of the human species. But we have lot of work to do.

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kslusherplantman t1_j9z3zzd wrote

Yeah… that’s not how science works FYI.

I have never used stones and I am also not dead, so….

I can’t believe you are touting stone usage in the same thread you are talking about antivaxers! They are literally the same, disbelieving science and trusting in your feelings and beliefs.

Edit; bring on the downvotes from you stone and essential oils crowd.

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_j9zahus wrote

Lol, I mean, my beliefs don't hurt anyone because I utilize them as a focal point for mental progression and growth. I am more focused, more calm, and I have improved in my art to a huge degree. Are the stones realistically having an impact on reality, or me? No! But does the placebo effect have value if used properly? We are the only species able.to engage in self reflection and self mastery, and with that stated it may be possible to utlelize belief systems to better oneself if they provide ritual and routine to a highly intelligent but disordered mind.

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_j9zl1s6 wrote

I'm a visual and tactile person. I didn't realize that when I started doing handheld camerawork I'd be in effect doing Tai chi. Using the camera served as an anchor point for my mind. I realized that if I applied techniques from various belief systems strategically, I could use them to guide my cognition and artistic focous. Plus, stones are pretty!

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Mundane-Ad-3142 t1_ja21plk wrote

You're listing a lot of, let's face it, excuses in order to avoid the crux of the issue. You sincerely believe rocks have influence over your life. And you think anti-vaxxers are bad. What's wrong with seeing the world objectively and letting go of magical thinking?

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_ja25x6r wrote

If I had kept an objective view of the world, I would have given up on everything I wanted to do. The things I engage in do not harm others, and allow me a sense of peace and tranquility. It has also made me more.empathetic and emotionally aware.

I also recognize that certain beliefs were injurious to health, and simply didn't make sense. So I kept the things that were beneficial to me and made sure to avoid and ignore the things that were stupid.

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_ja277f8 wrote

I just have realized that my initial refusal to examine religion at all in my younger years because ' oh its stupid' was locking me off to knowledge and understanding. And it was limiting me..

And I knew that I felt empty, and that my art gave me purpose. As I delved into my art. I saw more things that I could not explain or quantify.

Tarot card readers who would sit there and read my psyche in ways that psychologists would weep at. Palm readers and numeroloists who did the same.

And I had to think to myself there has to be a reason for the introspection

I don't know if I'm making sense. I just know.that my life has become different because I change how I thought.

Im.sorry if I angered you. I just....

Sorry.

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No_more_hiding t1_j9z8f8e wrote

I have no problem with people using stones etc, if they also use vaccines and science-based treatments too, like the person you're replying to. Placebo is a real phenomenon and if it brings comfort, that's fine. The problems start when such things are used to replace proven vaccines/ treatments etc.

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Traditional-Dingo604 t1_j9zbw5o wrote

I do think there has been a massively untapped potential of knowledge that has been lost. But I also believe that things like vaccines would be fine for people to take. If a person believes in God and God made everything and controls everything, then the creation of vaccines would be caused by the diety by 'logic"

It's nuts. I know people who refused the vaccine because of so many stupid reasons. They don't want to listen to reason or science. I do think that dietary modulation and exercise can play a massive role in healing. I don't think the pandemic was a hoax . I lived through it, and had to delve into my art to retain focus and sanity. Now I'm on a new path of growth and transformation

Drink water. Vaccinate. Eat healthy foods. Walk in the forest

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No_more_hiding t1_j9zgnpl wrote

That's fab, art and nature are very healing and that's backed up by science too! We have to do what gives us comfort in this funny old world, as long as we use science too. I believe there's a place for both, it's the anti-vaxxers of this world that can't see that.

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kslusherplantman t1_j9z8sza wrote

Most of the stone crowd are the same crowd that doesn’t trust vaccines and science just so you know…. I’ve know a FEW of them

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No_more_hiding t1_j9zay22 wrote

I know, but this particular person isn't one of them, they literally said they are vaccinated and believe in science as well, so not sure it's necessary to jump down their throat about it.

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kslusherplantman t1_j9zhijp wrote

I asked a question… please show where I “jumped down their throat”

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Tom_Neverwinter t1_ja135q3 wrote

The joke is the stone is silicon coated in tin.. Modern circuit boards.

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aLittleQueer t1_j9zl4lp wrote

It's fully possible to respect and believe science while remaining open to the idea that there are things we haven't yet learned how to demonstrate scientifically.

The idea that we can only respect science by staying within bounds of what is already scientifically known is...quite contrary to scientific pursuit.

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kslusherplantman t1_j9zro5f wrote

While I fully understand that point… and in regards to other things, sure…

But crystals?!? Yeah nope

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aLittleQueer t1_ja0t5wq wrote

I mean...the person said they use it as a meditative aid. What's to "nope" about that? Honestly, I'm not even sure what claims you're rejecting.

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kslusherplantman t1_ja0vyl6 wrote

Crystals causing healing, blah blah blah. Nope, and hard nope.

It’s not even pseudoscience.

Sure phrenology was a thing for a long time, doesn’t make it correct…

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kaerfehtdeelb t1_ja1kz7e wrote

That claim was never made here though? They literally stated multiple times they were used as a meditative tool. There are people that think stones replace science but that's not the sole belief. The majority use them just as the commenter does, as meditative tools. Physical objects to focus on to direct intention, totems during the self improvement process. It's fine if you don't believe that's needed but don't shit on someone else's practice, especially when you're operating under your own bias.

Edit to add a direct quote from the commenter, in a comment above, "Are the stones realistically having an impact on reality, or me? No!" This is the common use and view of these stones. You're assuming everyone who uses them in their practice believes they heal all and have magical powers, which is entirely untrue for the majority of those who use them.

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aLittleQueer t1_ja1swrd wrote

Um...that's not the conversation that's being had here, though.

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