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Hereiam_AKL t1_j8rtwr9 wrote

Reply to comment by Littlebotweak in Little evidence to support health claims made on formula milk by Dodomando

Looks like you decided that I am the perfect villain... Little point in discussing then. So maybe read that article here then, it's pretty much my point. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/20/is-breast-really-best-i-looked-at-all-the-data-to-find-out

I completely agree with this part here:

Where does this leave us? In a sense, none of this argues against the claim that “breast is best”. It seems it is best in terms of infant health. Where I think we run into complexity is in how we contextualise the size of the benefits, taking into account the fact that breastfeeding is difficult and may not be practical for all.

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leni710 t1_j8s8kne wrote

When you're trying to have these discussions, keep in mind some various populations of people and the fact that these are communities that have grown, thus changing the landscape in more ways than one:

-infants in foster care

-infants adopted out

-infants raised by relatives, away from the person who birthed them

-medications needing to be used that negatively impact breast milk

-transgender people giving birth who might no longer be able to breast feed

-teenagers having babies who are struggling to breast feed

-working people who can't stay on top of the breast feeding cycles

-people with post partum mental health issues who are unable to breast feed

-anxieties, depression, and the like that people have that can create adverse environments for breast feeding

-illness that makes it difficult to put baby near the sick person for breast feeding

-societal bullshit around "ahhh, boobies are public nudity and you will be charged as such"

-in general, gross ass people objectifying breast feeding

-sudden change in family dynamics, like a spouse moving out, that requires a new way of feeding infants

I could go on. But I need people to stop shaming the reality of feeding infants. The forced-birther side wanting everyone to just pop out babies is already doing more than enough harm to push people into making dangerous decisions. Infant and maternal mortality rates in the U.S., specifically for Black and Brown people, is insanely high for a "first world" country. The last thing anyone needs is some holier than thou shit around feeding infants, children, and all people. If you're mad enough at the manufacturer, tell them to make better products of formula, don't try to die on a hill of shaming vulnerable people.

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Littlebotweak t1_j8rwxyr wrote

What happens is this: parents who manage to breast feed tend to gain a sick sense of superiority and go around telling everyone else it’s the best. Not because they’ve done any new studies or gained any further data - it is based completely on egoism. The fact that you did it means you’re doing everything “the best” therefore….you’re the best!! Yay! Best parent award!!!

Because they really believe it, even if it isn’t true. Then, they seek any bias to confirm that belief.

This is literally what you’re doing. And in a public forum, no less. That’s how convinced you are. 😂

Linking to the guardian isn’t gonna change that, just like it never changes anything else. 😂😂😂

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Spoonloops t1_j8s8zkd wrote

I just read recently alot of the small studies suggesting breastfed babies are "smarter" and hit milestones faster are flawed and don't look at economical situations on the advantages of breast vs formula. Its shown women who breastfeed in the US tend to be higher income families who are able to stay home with their kids, homeschool, etc, while most of the formula fed kids where lower income, mom had to go back to work quickly and leave baby at a daycare, etc. Entirely different first years have different outcomes.

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DormeDwayne t1_j8t1gii wrote

So basically a mother who breastfed is not allowed to express her view that breastfeeding is best? And a person who has lost weight is not allowed to express the opinion that being normal weight is healthiest? And a happily married parent is not allowed to say out loud that two-parent families are best for kids? Etc etc. Their opinion is automatically prohibited bcs it can only possibly come from a place of smugness and not that they have tried both and find one preferable or whatever? Sounds dangerously censoring…

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ibbity t1_j8t2407 wrote

These people are not allowed to act like their choices are automatically, inherently superior, and that anyone who makes a different choice is wrong and bad and should be shamed. Which you and I both know good and well is a very, very common behavior.

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DormeDwayne t1_j8tehtg wrote

The thing is a mom who formula-fed her baby is allowed to praise bottle-feeding… but a mother who breastfed isn’t allowed to praise breastfeeding without being accused of shaming any other option. Why is that?

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FeloniousReverend t1_j8te06m wrote

No, but everything you listed is purely anecdotal unless there's some kind of real evidence to support the claims. A random mother who breastfed and never used formula claiming that 'breast is best' is absolutely meaningless. How would she know breast is best, and by what criteria is she making such a claim? Hell, how does she know her kid wouldn't be better off if they had some formula mixed in? It's not censorship, it's keeping opinions as opinions and not facts. This applies to every example you listed.

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