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Educational-Eye4657 t1_j54u2p0 wrote
>I’m pretty sure most of us hated our bodies, felt tortured
And I'm pretty sure you've never experienced the level of bullying and hate that LGBTQ people face on a day-to-day basis. If you're for children having the right to live happily, then I also feel you must acknowledge that trans and gender-nonconforming adolescents have the highest rates of suicide and depression among any demographic. The decision on taking any potential treatment should be made by them in consultation with a qualified healthcare provider, not some random person on the internet who doesn't know their individual situation. In today's world, it is too easy for us to forget that individual liberty exists and needs to be protected. We cannot let legislation regulate every aspect of an individual's life because none of us are carbon copies of each other.
vexingsilence t1_j55rln7 wrote
>If you're for children having the right to live happily, then I also feel you must acknowledge that trans and gender-nonconforming adolescents have the highest rates of suicide and depression among any demographic.
Yes, they're mentally ill. They need treatment for their mental illness. Altering their body to support their disturbed thoughts while their brain is still developing isn't a good approach, you don't need a PhD to realize that.
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>In today's world, it is too easy for us to forget that individual liberty exists and needs to be protected.
As adults. Until then, the health and safety of children must be protected.
Educational-Eye4657 t1_j55t517 wrote
No, they are not mentally ill, and science has confirmed that it is not an 'illness' issue but more of a social stigmatization of a very real and natural condition. Frankly, it's none of your business if you do not understand them or comprehend their condition and it's as simple as that. Some additional reading for you: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-48448804
vexingsilence t1_j55ufpl wrote
It's absolutely my business when it's in the public schools and affects people within my community. Child abusers would say the same thing, none of anyone else's business, right?
It's gender dysphoria, it's absolutely a mental illness.
Wiked_Pissah t1_j55ymp6 wrote
Spoken like a complete ignorant. Ask any gay person if they think being gay is a mental illness. I hope you get punched in the face for the question. Dysphoria happens more from someone not being supported to be themselves and think through their feelings, hence why the suicide rate is so high. I would hope a parent would live their child enough to be able to have an open, loving, and most importantly, non-judgmental conversation with their child if they were having these feelings. Not to automatically label them as mentally ill. This kind of naivety is exactly why mental health in this country is so bad. Just because someone has feelings or thinks different than you doesn't make them mentally ill. It just makes you an asshole.
vexingsilence t1_j560hsy wrote
>Ask any gay person if they think being gay is a mental illness.
Doctors used to define it that way, before changing not based on anything tangible, but due to pressure from the public.
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> I hope you get punched in the face for the question.
Condoning violence towards people with opinions that you don't like. Nice.
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>Not to automatically label them as mentally ill.
You're basically stigmatizing mental illness.
Wiked_Pissah t1_j562zrk wrote
I wouldn't expect you to understand. You have demonstrated your ignorance on the subject exceptionally well. But as someone who actually knows people that have been abused, bullied and looked down on by people like you, I would stand by them a 1000x over. As for the violence part, I have stepped in and stopped plenty of fights that were not started by the person I was defending. But rather by the hateful bigot that felt the need to push their views on other people.
vexingsilence t1_j563vdt wrote
>But as someone who actually knows people that have been abused, bullied and looked down on by people like you, I would stand by them a 1000x over.
That's a strange stance considering that you're proposing abuse to vulnerable people that aren't able to consent.
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>But rather by the hateful bigot that felt the need to push their views on other people.
That's pretty much what I'm against. People who would force children into things they're not ready for.
Wiked_Pissah t1_j56n9xr wrote
And this is where your ignorance shines so brightly. If you actually knew anyone you claim to be protecting you would have an idea of just how backward your thinking is. No parent has ever said "Gee, I really wish I had a son I stead of a girl. I think I am going to make them suffer through a lifetime of mental trauma and force them to become a girl" This never happens. The child starts to question their identity. I loving and responsible parent listens to them and talks with the child about why they think that. Maybe even finding others that have gone through the same thing so they can talk it out together. No one is proposing abuse. Quite the opposite in fact if you actually read what I am saying and think with an open mind.
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