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TheCloudBoy t1_j8o1kpb wrote

Hi, meteorologist here. The short answer is likely no

The vinyl chloride burn has occurred under a number of days with a very stout subsidence inversion in play nearby. This means the atmosphere is not well mixed at night, but features a mixed layer as high as 2 km (~6600 ft) during the day with a layer average wind direction from the WNW. The picture above shows the burn plume trapped underneath very stable mid-level air with little horizontal movement, a clear sign of a robust subsidence inversion. The reports of multiple livestock & fish perishing over a shorter radius also confirms the presence of a subsidence inversion preventing these toxins from fanning out deeper into the atmosphere.

I've run an ensemble forward trajectory analysis (https://imgur.com/gallery/0rFlz1Z) starting at the location & approximate time of the fire, which follows the movement of air parcels up 1 km above ground (~3300 ft), a mean of each day's mixed layer during this burn. For you math/science nerds, this is the Lagranagian view of the parcel/fluid through time.

Notice that the mean mixed-layer wind direction (WNW) does carry whatever gas & aerosols are being emitted from this fire into the Carolinas before loitering over the western Atlantic. Given vinyl chloride gas is heavier than the surrounding air, it's likely remained in the lowest 1 km close to the incident location, signaling this is probably not a far-reaching event.

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8o2sil wrote

Wow!! Thanks so much! (Love that nerdy stuff!)

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LassieMcToodles t1_j8s2le4 wrote

Thanks OP for asking this question, and u/TheCloudBoy for answering it.

It really ticks me off that we have to turn to each other to find answers that should have been readily and quickly given to us by those at the top. "Where is it headed/where and when did it go?" are basic questions that countless numbers of us have been wondering for days, but heaven forbid those in charge come out and thoroughly address and answer them.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8s5wv1 wrote

I've had similar issues with the dissemination of critical information about this controlled burn from the beginning, the town hall in East Palestine last night was revealing and shows folks there are even more frustrated about this.

Let's focus on the HYSPLIT modeling I've shown and another pair of images released by NOAA ARL (Air Resources Laboratory) referenced in another post below. The moment this burn was ignited, ARL was supporting the local NWS forecast office and other government agencies by running a high-resolution HYSPLIT WRF nest over that burn. Essentially, as new info about the burn and weather analysis data came in, they were running new plume dispersion forecasts, likely at least 4 times a day but probably once an hour. None of these frequently updated data were readily visible to the public to my knowledge, which is totally unacceptable.

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LassieMcToodles t1_j8s7ntq wrote

>which is totally unacceptable

Indeed.

(And now, years later, I'm wondering where all of the Lac-Megantic train wreck cloud blew, as HELLO! we were directly south of that one.)

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8sb3sa wrote

The HYSPLIT modeling ARL offers allows you to run archived parcel trajectories and dispersion, I'm half-tempted to run one to see where all that smoke ended up.

I'll keep this next statement as apolitical as possible: multiple facets leading up to and during the response to this disaster should show all of us how corrupt entire agencies and the broader U.S. government have become, regardless of which party has control.

Look at how this train wasn't classified as carrying very hazardous materials, the arresting of local journalists covering the event, the complete silence by multiple federal agencies for nearly a week (eerily similar to the Soviet Union during Chernobyl), a failure to share critical information in a timely manner, covering for a private company clearly in the wrong (eerily similar to Japan covering TEPCO during Fukushima-Daiichi), I can keep going.

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thenagain11 t1_j910c0r wrote

CT had similar issues: https://www.wfsb.com/2023/02/17/questions-raised-over-mysterious-soot-like-residue-that-accumulated-vehicles/

Their news is saying it's most likely dust/dirt from dust storms in Texas and Oklahoma. Apparently, these types of storms push a lot of junk high into the atmosphere, and it takes a while to float back down- which could explain why it got all the way to New england maybe?

What do you think?

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TheCloudBoy t1_j91nkel wrote

I very much agree with CT DEEP's assessment that what we saw in CT is from other systems in the Southern Plains. Those particles lofted into the atmosphere are (depending on the exact size) very ideal as cloud condensation nuclei, which are particles that water vapor condenses to and form larger water droplets. These droplets then fall to the ground in larger storms, which we've seen a few times now. Given we've had a few predominant low-level SW flow regimes prior to this report, I'm even more convinced it's dust from the Plains.

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8sw008 wrote

Ohio is telling people at ground zero to return home, it's all good, yes? What can those residents do?

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8o5468 wrote

User name checks out.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8o5orm wrote

There are a few cloud nerds living in the Granite State

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Pappa_Crim t1_j8pn0pj wrote

I think a few of them were freezing their ass off on top of the rock pile

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Impriel t1_j8oi8xg wrote

This is the type of immediate and thorough response scientists give in a movie nice work

Kshhht

Mission control we have a situation. Call in the cloud boy

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srb5331 t1_j8o2exc wrote

Thank you for this analysis, very thorough and educational!

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Abosco129 t1_j8of3ww wrote

Hey there! Love this trajectory that you posted - super informational.

With the toxins projected to dump into the ocean persay - what’s next? Acid rain? Carbonic acid plus chloride?

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8ohsq9 wrote

Based on the fact sheet I dug up about this gas from the EPA, my suspicion is we're fine here given how far away we are, the half life of the gas is fairly short both in water and soil: https://semspub.epa.gov/work/05/437069.pdf

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capistor t1_j8pbdg3 wrote

Just make sure you don’t ever smell it the dangerous threshold is only 3 ppm.

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ICodeIGuess t1_j8p05aa wrote

Will there be any health-related side effects for the people living in or near this area? The first thought that came to mind was cancer, but I don't know anything about anything.

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tak18 t1_j8p35gb wrote

Can you help explain this report from NOAA? https://www.reddit.com/gallery/112v93n

https://www.arl.noaa.gov/arl-weekly-2-3-23/

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8p4wce wrote

Good question: this is the first I've seen of ARL running particle cross section analysis right at the start of the controlled fire before the mean wind shifted. So at the initial burst, they're modeling (using I suspect a different model than the one I used to calculate the forward trajectory) the most likely dispersion integrating estimated particle release per hour. That's also starting a full 12 hours earlier than mine, right as the trough is moving through, more on that below.

What this shows is particles initially contained in the lowest 3,000 ft of the atmosphere that advect NE, then N as they're mixed higher into the atmosphere (shades of blue). This likely is along the first upper-level trough to pivot through here last week, though these particles being an issue here seems almost non-existent given what we know about the lifespan of vinyl chloride gas & how high up these particles were mixed. Then as the winds became more predominately WNW (second image), the plume orients ESE, with concentrations contained in a smaller area than I think some feared would be otherwise.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8p55gr wrote

One critical question I still have is how these particles may bond to both ice crystals, water droplets, and supercooled droplets deeper in the atmosphere. Are they small enough to act as cloud condensation nuclei? Did they bond to the aforementioned hydrometers and precipitate out wherever the plume density was highest and rain/snow occurred?

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tak18 t1_j8pa095 wrote

Thank you for your response. Good to know it's likely a non-issue for us.

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DigTreasure t1_j8rqynh wrote

This is the map I saw and I believe it over some reddit cloud guru

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tak18 t1_j8s8a3t wrote

I do agree but it's good to get different viewpoints. Both sources are using different modeling, similar to hurricane tracking or other weather events.

What is most interesting now is that NOAA figure has been removed from the article. I'm curious as to why. And I have not seen any other articles that don't focus on anything but the vicinity of the burn site. Really strange how little is being covered on this, but I suppose I'm not surprised.

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DigTreasure t1_j8s9x9e wrote

Because the rail and chemicals are owned by vanguard which has enormous share stakes in media outlets.

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Zealousideal-Face946 t1_j8x4qf3 wrote

All the corruption rearing its ugly head. Where's all the ground reporters live at the scene? Scared and far away but it's ok to live there and drink the water.

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ranaparvus t1_j8ozqf7 wrote

It’s answers like yours that make Reddit great. Thanks so much!

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Nicbudd t1_j8pnxdj wrote

Glad to meet more New Hampshirites interested in meteorology!

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anotherposter76 t1_j8yf579 wrote

Hey any update on this? I saw other projections which have the cloud coming right over update NY, Canada, and over here!

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Katasse t1_j8ytur9 wrote

NOAA plume map shows differently. couldnt paste it here.

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DocBootz t1_j8p2ff0 wrote

How many times have you experienced something like this?

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DiBello44 t1_j8puj4m wrote

So impressive…you sir / madam are a good and knowledgeable person. Thank you.

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orblivion t1_j8st9o4 wrote

It can't just stay there forever, can it? It would either dilute into the atmosphere or fall on the ground or something. Where's the bulk of it going? (Perhaps you answered and I didn't understand it).

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cjp_archaeology t1_j8v5ac4 wrote

What are your thoughts on those in the path, as it cuts through Northern VA and MD before spitting out into the Atlantic?

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1234Turtle t1_j911g1p wrote

What about the other chemicals that were released?

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Nervous_Wait_9545 t1_j8ocl0l wrote

Hopping in to call out that whether or not this guy is a real weatherman, listening to advice like this on social media is what separates the dumb people from the smart people.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8ofc1l wrote

I just compacted concepts of atmospheric dispersion, chemistry & thermodynamics through the application of forward parcel trajectories into a single reply. I sure hope that folks here recognize my assessment isn't idiotic 🤔. I'd literally show my degree if it didn't give away who I actually am, smh

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greentintedlenses t1_j8og7zw wrote

Honestly this is all great. I'm glad you shared cause I was wondering this very thing.

But now I just want to know if I'm talking to Al Kaprielian here. That'd be real cool.

Please make my day

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8ogrsj wrote

I can confirm I am not Al Kaprielian

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Alternative_Nail1632 t1_j8orv8n wrote

That weather boy from BFHS ?

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8pdf1d wrote

Nope, the only clue I'll give is I hail from Connecticut!

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ifollowmyownrules t1_j8pf48n wrote

Ha! Did you work at WFSB a few years ago?

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8plqes wrote

You know your CT TV stations haha! Nope, but that was the station I grew up watching!

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wickedsmaaaht t1_j8rj9i3 wrote

he didn't start his response with "GOOD eeeeeeevening." I'd bet Al uses voice-to-text so all his responses probably start with that haha

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Nervous_Wait_9545 t1_j8ofuvd wrote

Not saying what you posted isn't true. I'm saying posts like this that sound like they're true is a perfect and effective vector for misinformation.

In other words: if you want advice on which microwave to buy, sure listen to social media. If it involves something important like your health, you are a fucking idiot for listening to social media

It's good for people to not have a habit of going to social media and listening to random yahoos for important things.

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BarbarossaTheGreat t1_j8ofdzr wrote

Being able to discern whose making shit up and whose the real deal is what separates the fools from the intelligent.

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Piwo1313 t1_j8oke2x wrote

And when formerly trusted sources are found complicit in ‘misinformation’ sharing and previously untrusted sources now being heralded as legitimate information sources, you can see where information-literacy skills are important.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8ol0nq wrote

One of my hottest takes is that the slew of "fact checkers" we saw emerge around/after 2020 remain one of the largest, exploitative scams ever committed on the American public.

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ThunderySleep t1_j8omv65 wrote

No, no, no. Smart people only listen to people if they're wearing a suit and on television.

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Nervous_Wait_9545 t1_j8ofnh9 wrote

Bro in my youth I used to troll online all the time pretending to be various experts, and people would buy it hook, line and sinker.

So I'm speaking from experience here, as a former little shit who used to be all rascally on the internet.

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TheCloudBoy t1_j8ogc4c wrote

Fair haha, though I can assure everyone I hold a degree in atmospheric sciences and am employed as a meteorologist. I didn't suffer through multiple years of calculus for nothing. People can take two seconds to inspect weather balloon launches & other factoids about vinyl chloride gas to easily verify everything I've written as accurate, I don't know how much easier to make it.

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BarbarossaTheGreat t1_j8ogsnq wrote

I believe it, that’s funny as hell. Still though, a discerning eye can usually but not always be able to tell the difference.

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beyond_hatred t1_j8qv2ak wrote

Real expertise can be recognized as such. The problems come when we start thinking, for example, that Diamond and Silk's opinions are just as good as those expressed by the Director of NIAID.

Social media gives everyone an equal voice, but it's up to the reader to decide who is worth listening to. As our education system falters, we become less and less capable of making the correct call.

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natedoggcata t1_j8nv20r wrote

all so the company could save a few bucks. People should go to prison for this, but they wont.

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8o2f6i wrote

Railroad offered town $25,000. Not per person. Total. For the inconvenience.

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catslapper69 t1_j8oeg5f wrote

Well to be fair that's almost what the CEO makes each day

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ANewMachine615 t1_j8omfwt wrote

$5 per affected person seems fair, right? I'm pretty sure this should all be solved with a trip to the McDonald's to hit up their value menu.

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AppropriateAd5325 t1_j8q3jeh wrote

So crazy, all these back room deals with deregulations. Lining pockets. And who suffers? Chumps like you and me. We live near the Schiller Power plant, after a day all our snow is black. Hopefully the Ohio poison will disperse.

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Hunt4u_bynite t1_j8r597t wrote

Solar panels and windmills will never produce the amount of electricity our society needs. Powerplants are needed. Helping them with technologies to burn fossil fuel more cleaner and efficiently is what people need to get on board with. Schiller has 3 boilers. 1 is a wood burner the other 2 are coal. The wood boiler ran most of the time. The others when peak energy usage occured. Winter and summer .

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Hour_Goat_2486 t1_j8x3x3n wrote

While it’s true that there needs to be a transition period, it’s absolutely nonsense that solar and wind can’t produce enough. The amount of energy man produces with fossil fuels is minuscule compared to the sun’s energy, which keeps the entire earth from nearing absolute zero. Solar alone could power the entire US with about 65000 acres easily allocated in the midwest deserts. Storage is the only current obstacle, given the day/night cycle. If we subsidized solar with even 1/2 of what we spend subsidizing oil in the US, we’d be done with this already

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AppropriateAd5325 t1_j8ruusx wrote

However windmills and solar will never be able to replace fossil fuel stations, because we aren’t building them. 😬

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Away-Ad2752 t1_j8ypn7h wrote

Rail company owned by black rock. Even if it was 25k per person I would still consider that a slap in the face!

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Searchlights t1_j8p8wj1 wrote

Executives don't go to prison. Their companies pay fines.

There is no criminal accountability no matter what they do.

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capistor t1_j8pc3qb wrote

The common law ways of the Wild West seem more fair sometimes.

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AppropriateAd5325 t1_j8q3pfy wrote

Frontier justice, baby. Just like the cowboys from Red Rock (aged Mel Brooks reference)

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FaustusC t1_j8ox4ur wrote

And hey, just think!

Bumblefuck blocked the rail workers from Striking! One of their big complaints was unsafe conditions caused by understaffing. If they'd been allowed to strike for even a week, there's a decent chance this wouldn't have happened.

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I_Heart_Astronomy t1_j8qrnyx wrote

Well if you're going to throw Biden under the bus for this, let's talk about how Trump removed key Obama-era braking regulations.

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FaustusC t1_j8rbjt1 wrote

You know, I'd agree with you. I really would.

Except CNN has video of a wheel bearing in the final stages of failure. Could brakes have prevented a crash in that instance? Probably not. Look up what happens when a bearing fails.

A failed bearing walks back to failed or missed maintenance, which leads back to the workers who were saying they were over worked and it was causing Safety risks. Had workers been allowed to force the railroads into, uh, safe working conditions, that maintenance likely would have been completed and this could have been prevented.

Alas, Bumblefuck knew better and now a huge area is ecologically ruined because of it.

Edit:

Downvote away.

Here's a study from the UK that says a failed bearing can cause derailment.

And here, is Vox an undeniably left leaning site that's saying the likely cause of this was, you know, a bearing. New brakes would only work if your train was still attached to the track.

Lastly, here is Vice. Also an incredibly Left leaning publication. In this one, workers who claim to be familiar with the train in question say they're not shocked it crashed and also point out they now have 90 seconds to inspect each car. A train car is 55+ feet long. For perspective, before you type anything to me, go out and look at your personal car. Set a timer on your phone for 90 seconds. Try and inspect every safety feature on your car, including looking under it. See how long it takes you. Now imagine having to do both sides, of a vehicle 3 times longer in the same time period and tell me if you think the workers probably should have been allowed to strike for better conditions.

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8nnbw6 wrote

Pets and livestock have been dying miles from this monster. It can't be good for any living creature/plant/water.

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capistor t1_j8pcjxv wrote

It’s extremely damaging even at very low concentration. Primary damage is inhilation not ingestion.

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smdifansmfjsmsnd t1_j8ocp2u wrote

And yet the local government keeps telling residents the air and water are safe. Nah man I don’t think so.

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Kekwexpress t1_j8rgj9c wrote

It’s the Manhattan project all over again lol

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FreezingRobot t1_j8nwur2 wrote

I think if the fart cloud of death was going to move, it would have done so at this point.

I think Ohio is in the "It's not safe to move back yet, but we're going to tell you to do so because this looks bad politically" phase right now.

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tylermm03 t1_j8o8g48 wrote

I saw somewhere that the railroad offered $25k in total for compensation, which is around $5 for each effected individual/household (not sure which). I honestly hope that residents sue them over this because there will be health effects down the line.

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ForklkftJones t1_j8nrc8l wrote

Most toxic things come from that direction. Where's a big fan when you need it? 🤦🏿

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Sensitive_Lie9674 t1_j8nsy34 wrote

Where’s Pete Buttigieg or any of these faux environmentalists when you need them?

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8nwsou wrote

Where are all the stupid Republicans who did absolutely nothing for so many years and fought against any kind of legislation that would keep this kind of crap from happening?

Don't even bother asking that question because I know you don't care about the answer.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8o01f4 wrote

Pete let all of their policy live on.

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foodandart t1_j8oowgv wrote

Oh yes, because an appointed head of a department has legislative authority over the railroads, and not, let me see… the legislature. Sweet Jesus would you get a grip? Obama ‘s administration had passed a law that required the railroads to change up the braking systems to ones that didn’t start fires when a derailment happened.. However, a lovely Republican carpetbagger named Donald Trump overturned it. Gotta make it easy for the railroads to profiteer using technology that is 60+ years old. God forbid that these companies modernize! You’re an ass.

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8o1dyj wrote

Sure you can tell yourself that. Absolutely Pete has unlimited power and no opposition. Pretty much what he says goes. Kind of like the Lord. I'm surprised it's just the wave his arms and make it hell happen.

It has nothing to do with all the Republicans have gotten in the way for the last oh I don't know a hundred years.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8o7y17 wrote

Why are you defending the people in charge when a horrible disaster happens under their watch?

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8oia5t wrote

Why you only going after Pete?

He has been trying to do something.

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foodandart t1_j8opsco wrote

He doesn’t like the guy because he’s told to by the ‘media’ he consumes. The fact that he’s harping on a completely incorrect aspect of what the Transportation Secretary’s abilities are, and are not is all you need to know about where he’s getting his fact-free talking points from.

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8p13dt wrote

I understand he doesn't know any better. I just assumed he was doing it because Pete is gay.

As far as I can tell he's doing a really good job.

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foodandart t1_j8qbng3 wrote

He is! For once a Transportation Secretary that's on-point.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8rjvqa wrote

I don't care that he is gay. I care that he can't do his job. I care that he was hired for the job for lining up behind Biden when the party wanted a real candidate. He is a corporatist. We hired a guy who has a long history of making money from corporations. He was hired by a president from the most corporate friendly state in the country Delaware. I am angry that you are not angry. If it was a red guy in charge I would be mad too. I didn't vote for DT or Biden because I know they are all the same.

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8rlq3q wrote

You know they're all the same because you're an ill-informed person who watches Fox News. Maybe you should try broaden your horizon. Perhaps if you could learn how to read that we better. They're not always saying the problem is they're fighting against a bunch of idiotic Republicans. You're probably Republican.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8rmhyr wrote

Wtf…. Why are you attacking me? I literally just said I didn’t vote for either of the guys in the corporate unity party.

Don’t own a tv.

You’re probably an idiot. Or a fat trans satanist because

Did you get your defend Pete rallying cry from msnbc or was it cnn?

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8s1efp wrote

I'm doing it because you're ill-informed. You're attacking somebody without any information. And now you're getting all oh why you attacking me. Go clutch your pearls. If you voted for the right people you wouldn't be in this mess.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8s1tcz wrote

You are defending someone with no information. Look at this list of former McKinsey Consulting employees who work in government. They are all peas in the same pod. There is only a few ways you get to be a politician and its playing the game. Open your eyes. You think you are voting for the good guys but they are all on the same team behind closed doors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_employees_of_McKinsey_%26_Company

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8s8q4z wrote

I agree they should close down k Street. I don't care who somebody worked for as long as they do the job. You're throwing everybody in the same boat. And it's tedious what aboutism.

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8so7s6 wrote

Not everything is partisan. This is what happens when business and government are entrenched in corruption for decades from multiple parties maintaining status quo.

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PtrWalnuts t1_j8sqqjf wrote

You're making the partisan attack and saying everything is not partisan. Everybody is exactly like everybody else.

That's not true One party has tried to overthrow the government take away women's rights and pollute like crazy. One party is trying to take away social security. I contend your opinion is wrong. Sorry if you disagree with me. I do believe that there should be no money in politics.

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Tackysackjones t1_j8nu89q wrote

Man, what an absolutely idiotic take on the situation. Do you also blame the superintendent for not saving children during a school shooting?

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NewHampshireDude t1_j8nzxgl wrote

You blame him for not re-hiring security after the last superintendant had fired them to save money for the contractors who make money off the school.

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ForklkftJones t1_j8oevac wrote

I'm sure real environmentalists have been trying to get their voices heard for decades. If we are going to blame administrations, let's blame them all. Biden for failing the railroad workers when they wanted to strike due to subpar work conditions And Trump and Chao for putting profits over safety. 🤷🏾

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HerrHoopla t1_j8o0d44 wrote

You nitwit, this happened because Trump rolled back regulations under the guise of saving money. That death cloud is going to cost more than all his rollbacks combined would have saved.

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ThunderySleep t1_j8on3h9 wrote

Shhhh... Don't think about politicians. Just think about the CEO of the company.

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underratedride t1_j8p8bh0 wrote

I see you’ve disturbed the liberal hive mind that is Reddit. Shame on your for pointing out their blatant hypocrisy.

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Danadroid t1_j8nnwkx wrote

Current wind patterns in Ohio have it aimed right at us. Maybe we'll get some acid snow!

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pardough t1_j8nowe3 wrote

yes but hopefully the prevailing winds from the previous days already moved everything offshore

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8np4ox wrote

Do you know when? I will hide with my critters, if possible. Ugh.

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pardough t1_j8nqges wrote

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=41.54;-73.37;6&l=temperature-2m

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should be going into Canada not here

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DrNism0 t1_j8nths0 wrote

Depends on the height of the cloud. At 4000m, wind is heading right this way :/

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pardough t1_j8nxrbt wrote

yes but the past few days winds were going south. It shouldnt be burning at this time I would think

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Imaginary_wizard t1_j8nv2jl wrote

Great had to go to Toronto for 2 weeks at the worst possible time

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pardough t1_j8oscok wrote

should be ok if all the smoke already went south

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I_Heart_Astronomy t1_j8qr719 wrote

This might sound crazy, but I was just out doing some stargazing with my telescope (~11PM to 1:30AM), and every now and again a warm gust of wind would blow by. Every time it did, I could smell something very odd in it. It was pungent enough that I cut the observing session short and came inside. I don't really know how to describe the smell other than "sweet, but unpleasant".

Apparently vinyl chloride has a mild sweet smell in high concentrations...

https://dph.illinois.gov/topics-services/environmental-health-protection/private-water/fact-sheets/vinyl-chloride-groundwater.html

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Danadroid t1_j8r7a9v wrote

Well, that could be something to worry about.. Or, someone else was also star gazing at that time while partaking in some sweet sensemilla burning in the night..

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ThePencilRain t1_j8o6u28 wrote

There is a reason why more people from Ohio have been to the moon than any other state.

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largeb789 t1_j8oraf4 wrote

Has anyone verified that this image is actually from the train derailment?

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8ouzkf wrote

It is all over the front page as being an airplane shot of the cloud plume, as well as similar shots. As to actual news organizations, not sure. I see Vice used a similar photo from Twitter. The photos from the ground are really quite the same. There are TONS of those from all the major networks, when their reporters weren't being arrested. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qze4/32-nasty-rail-workers-say-they-knew-the-train-that-derailed-in-east-palestine-was-dangerous

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largeb789 t1_j8p6ol6 wrote

Thanks. My reverse image search just found a bunch of twitter and other unsubstantiated posts. Looking at the photos from that vice article I can imagine it's legit.

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Prestigious_Tour2411 t1_j8pqqgo wrote

There is not credible source verifying this imagine. Research image search has it first showing up on Chinese and Russian sites. I think you fell for a fake and pushing their propaganda. Some media outlets did too.

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MadMaxMaverick t1_j91t45x wrote

There wasn’t a “credible” source saying the video was real from Montana- or really holding the POTUS accountable. It’s called suppression. You must be unfamiliar with this tactic.

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thrunabulax t1_j8obq1i wrote

Perfectly safe, they say!

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Inariele t1_j8rggr5 wrote

i am still dumbstruck that they burned it instead of cleaning up the spillage. i hope the residents and towns affected can sue them into oblivion. And I seriously can't buy that it's safe to drink the water. with all the fish dying I wouldn't go anywhere near water -.- This makes me so angry for the people living there.

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gordonfactor t1_j8w0xva wrote

Feds are too busy shooting down science fair projects with stealth jets to give any real answers about this.

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SqueezeTheCheez t1_j8xvi1o wrote

Hi. not a meteorologist here but they said to go home, the water is safe to drink and bathe your children, yet residents show videos of dead wildlife everywhere and oily crap in the water. other than that , nothing to see here folks. I'll bet the response would have been different if the spill were on Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket

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Vivid-Mammoth-4161 t1_j8puyt7 wrote

Why not? Just about every other toxic chemical is buried in NH

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preliatorx t1_j8xwlpy wrote

I called NH DES and they said they believe the particulate cloud went north of us, so no disrespect to the gentleman meteorologist on here, but everyone is just working off a theory. Bottom line is there has been zero actual data gathering done or sample testing. Until that occurs there's not going to be any reliable proof. Could I offer you a glass of water?

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Crow_Titanium t1_j90mxnq wrote

The Monadnock area was hit noticeably.

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bukwus t1_j9295ib wrote

Yeah, but at least the shareholders and executives are satisfied.

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moooooooots t1_j8wiqzu wrote

Everyone across NH is about to find out what Seabrook water does to you.

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Emergency-Ad-1742 t1_j8zw3ye wrote

This is the government preparing for ww3. It’s called cloud seeding. Create a toxic cloud that can travel as it travels gets stronger. Ofcourse poising some us but we are just collateral damage. Why you think there’s balloons in the air. Chinas defense seeing wtf is that so they can prepare better. It’s like chess. By the time you see it it’s already too late. China hit us with fentanyl. But that’s another story

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KingBubbaBouy1 t1_j8owj5k wrote

Wow. I hate railroads. You never know what theyre hauling You could have tankers of poison flying right by your house!!

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travel_tech t1_j8oxe2o wrote

I mean, the same can be said of trucks, the cargo being on rail doesn't make it any more secretive.

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KingBubbaBouy1 t1_j8p5yfy wrote

Dude. A train can haul 1000x what a trailer can hold!!! Thats the difference.

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SeanMisspelled t1_j8r9hzm wrote

1000x is incorrect, but it is several hundred trucks worth of cargo per train. You're missing that there are still way more trucks than trains and trains carry less than 30% of freight shipped in the US, and most of that train freight is on a truck to get to the train, and to get from the train to the last mile.

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KingBubbaBouy1 t1_j8ti1mb wrote

There is not a house in America that is close enough to a highway at the exact same time several hundred tractor trailer trucks all crash with the same containers of toxic shit See my point?

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Necessary-Culture777 t1_j8tnp3l wrote

Instead, we should focus on making these rails safer. build infrastructure and increase maintenance. These private owned companies are cutting corners on safety for profit.

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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j8nz3m2 wrote

no the one from mass is

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granitestate6 OP t1_j8o3dx4 wrote

Is this a comment on Massachusetts in general (🤣) or is there yet another spill? Texas derailment, Ohio derailment, and truck jack knife somewhere else (with green toxic cloud), as I recall.

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Alternative_Nail1632 t1_j8o5wpn wrote

Before the Clean Air act this kind of shit was spewing out of chimneys all over the country, particularly New England which had a thriving plastics industry. It wasn’t that long ago that a plant in Merrimack, New Hampshire was spewing similar chemicals into the air on a daily basis. Most of the chemicals used in daily life and is the kind of stuff that goes up in flames every time a house burns.

It’s not good but not terrible. We will survive

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nhwoodsblues t1_j8ovxf0 wrote

So because something unhealthy used to happen 'all the time', it's not a big deal if it happens now? huh?

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Alternative_Nail1632 t1_j8ow6wr wrote

Not at all. It’s a huge deal. It’s just not the disaster it looks like. Its a few trainload of pretty ordinary chemicals. It’s not Bophal (sp?).

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friendly-cephalopod t1_j8pablw wrote

Higher rates of cancer, most notably a 42% higher rate of kidney cancer in the Merrimack River valley as a direct cause of Saint Gobain polluting the drinking water with PFAS. Even after it was first discovered in 2016, the company wasn't even required to provide safe drinking water until 2018. This is a decade and a half after the situation with Dupont, so the company had known they were poisoning people for 15 years and did absolutely nothing about it. I'd classify that as pretty fucking terrible.

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princedune t1_j8shyqg wrote

burning it in an incinerator is a lot different than lighting a pit full of it and other chemicals on fire

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Prestigious_Tour2411 t1_j8pqjb4 wrote

This picture is being pushed my Russian and Chinese bots. I'm not entirely sure it's even real

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