ShamanicYogi t1_ja0z3zc wrote
It was the first aerial tramway in North America. It should be designated on the National Register of Historic Places.
ShamanicYogi t1_ja0zlp4 wrote
That said, it was originally built in 1938 and then rebuilt and refurbished 42 years later.
Sounds like another refurbishment is due.
DeerFlyHater t1_ja13q1p wrote
Senator Gendreau from Littleton along with others was trying to do that with SB55 this year.
Looks like it may have been tabled though. I didn't listen to the senate session to see why. Perhaps it can be pulled off the table.
JohnnyRebe1 t1_ja1i1n2 wrote
Probably because it’s going to cost 25 million dollars. If it’s tax payer funded let people walk up the hill.
ShamanicYogi t1_ja1jklv wrote
Cannon generates $7M annually for the state. A good chunk of that is solely summer tourists riding the tram. The long term benefits outweigh the temporary cost.
JohnnyRebe1 t1_ja1magt wrote
Only thing I can find is them recently stating they are going to be increasing ticket cost and parking costs to offset $825,000 from increasing energy and labor costs. Do you have anything to back up your claim that cannon provides a 7 million dollar boon to taxpayers?
JohnnyRebe1 t1_ja1mo80 wrote
Here’s an article stating they have cost the taxpayers 9.3 million since 2000. If true it would likely be much more as that graph stops in 2016.
ShamanicYogi t1_ja1qo2q wrote
Cannon is owned by the taxpayers and it’s annual reports are a matter of public record. However, I’m not going to spend my time digging through state financial documents just to appease a stranger on Reddit. You are able to research it yourself. I worked in the ski industry for a couple of decades and always have kept an eye on revenue vs snowfall up until the past few years. Last report I remember looking at was pre-Covid, so the info I have is probably from 2018-19 season or so, but it was around $7.25M in annual profit. By comparison, Gunstock does around $1.5M. Cannon, as probably the most popular ski area in NH, has generally shown steady growth of about $100k-250k per year since 2011, obviously dependent on the weather. That’s a rate of less than 3%. Not huge, but still profitable.
Northcountrynative t1_ja40fk9 wrote
I am Cannon for life, but there is zero way it is more popular than Loon. Loon is NH’s most popular ski resort by a mile.
Acidiousx t1_ja1ttup wrote
Do you understand the difference between revenue and profit?
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chucktownbtown t1_ja35t2c wrote
So the link provided above to you isn’t enough to show that Cannon loses money annually? The link from the Taxpayers of Cannon? It’s missing the previous 6 years of data, but considering cannon shows an operating loss of $9M over the course of time here, I suspect they continue to lose money.
T-to-B t1_ja3i0xf wrote
Yeah I'm not going to trust that website at all. It hasn't been updated in 7 years. They aren't using the correct data and there is clearly an agenda to have cannon's operations sold.
chucktownbtown t1_ja3w6nx wrote
You can literally click on each year’s financial statement within that link for the data, and it links to the State of NH Dept of Rev and Economic Development P&L sheet. Its using official state/public data. Not sure what other source could/would even be considered more trustworthy.
You don’t want to trust that? What data source would you trust then?
T-to-B t1_ja3xe4y wrote
I'm not going to dive into all of their financial documents. But a lot of the numbers this website has listed don't match the numbers in the linked documents. So I can't trust any of their data.
kells938 t1_ja3v11s wrote
He provides links that contradict what you're saying but you won't back your argument "to appease a stranger on reddit." So you'll argue with someone on Reddit and tout that you're right, but won't back your claim. Got it.
exploremore617 t1_ja366h7 wrote
I’ve heard they struggled the last summer to get people up in the summer and even thought about closing it.
Jtagz t1_ja3qv6r wrote
Guarantee you this is being proposed because some one in state gov. Knows a “gondola” guy and has self interest. That’s how it always goes.
Boats_are_fun t1_ja4sf7g wrote
Sounds like a tram scam
BannedMyName t1_ja6dm8b wrote
Sununu has a vested stake in Waterville Valley Ski area just up the road from Cannon, it's controversial for him to say anything about this situation.
lunchbox15 t1_ja5ucz5 wrote
When you put it that way... MND would be a qualified bidder now that the WV 6pack is operational and that company certainly has some questionable ties to the Sununu family.
Curious_Buffalo_1206 t1_ja1lszv wrote
If only we cared so much about restoring our historic railroads, as we do about this archaic tourist trap.
rudyattitudedee t1_ja3bn8k wrote
I’ve lived in nh my entire life and I do the tram at least twice a year. It’s an affordable afternoon and great for kids. My kid has “driven” it like six times. I have great stories from the tram rides. Once, my wife and I had a very packed summer tram ride, but it turned out it was a whole car packed full of deaf people and we were the only people who could hear. It was the quietest ride I’ve had, save for the random outbursts of deaf person laughter as they signed jokes to each other. Same with the cog. They are treasures.
Northcountrynative t1_ja40nwk wrote
The cog is a polluting mess in a fragile ecosystem. Don’t put it in the same breath as the Tram.
brain_freese t1_ja4q7we wrote
Only two coal locos are still running. The rest are biodiesel. The coal will be phased out over the coming years as the biodiesel locomotives are better all around.
Northcountrynative t1_ja4xf5x wrote
There should be zero combustion in that fragile ecosystem. Period. Also, they are twats. Do they still prosecute for trespassing if you hike next to the tracks?
rudyattitudedee t1_ja59rea wrote
They probably just don’t want hikers to be able to damage tracks and derail a train full of tourists 6k ft to their deaths. I don’t disagree that it’s not an environmentally friendly mode of transport. In that same breath only hiking should be allowed on mt Washington then. The auto road sucks and should only exist for Travis Pastrana to race.
Northcountrynative t1_ja5fluq wrote
And how would a hiker damage those tracks? With aggressive microspiking? Please get real. But I won’t argue further even though that’s a ridiculous position because I agree about pastrami. 🤘🏼
rudyattitudedee t1_ja5pim5 wrote
It was speculation. Maybe leaving Pennie’s on the track? 😥
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