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AbbreviationsFar7867 t1_j4ylund wrote
The fact that what is now New York was originally settled by the Dutch, and NOT the English.
Banea-Vaedr t1_j4ym1hf wrote
The Dutch were there, so the mid-atlantic and New England colonies had a solid split. When the mid-atlantic captured the region, it became one of them
frankybling t1_j4ypbo2 wrote
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam… it’s right there in the bridge to the song. Also, it’s the actual reason… the Dutch owned that area by charter until they didn’t. I think some of Vermont too?
PsychologicalAgent64 t1_j4z5b2b wrote
Because it was controlled by the Dutch, not English. Same reason Louisiana has all those French names for towns and streets. Because it was controlled by the French.
AbbreviationsFar7867 t1_j4zaiqg wrote
Fun Fact: The original Charter for the City of New York is in Dutch.
Pointlesswonder802 t1_j4zd96d wrote
Some just liked it better that wayyyyy
sockpuppetinasock t1_j4zfk4n wrote
Also there was that war between (then newly created English) New York and Vermont.
Inevitable-Careerist t1_j4zj4t1 wrote
All I know is, I can tell when I pass from New England to New York by the change in aesthetics of the roads and the towns. New England is quainter.
heklakatla t1_j4zkb5g wrote
Oh take me back to...
Bawstahn123 t1_j4zkbhg wrote
New York and New England are also geographically-divided, by the Berkshire Mountains and the Taconic Mountains, both of which are part of the Appalachians, which means the mountains are primarily oriented north-south and have only a few valleys joining the different ridges, which makes travel difficult. Cumberland Gap became famous for a reason
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downwardspiralstairs t1_j4zrwdk wrote
Because it was called New Netherland and it's capital was called New Amsterdam which was on the southern tip of Manhattan Island. The settlement was originally started by the Dutch West India Company to profit from the fur trade.
somegridplayer t1_j4zs7bj wrote
A couple huge lakes, some mountains, and the Hudson. The divide between MA/VT and NY are natural.
TecumsehSherman t1_j4zz4e8 wrote
To Constantinople?
Royal_Purple1988 t1_j50170v wrote
Yes, it was before statehood. You had the New England Colony, Middle Colony, and Southern Colony. The middle colonies included NY because New York was Dutch and below the New England Colonies. Geography played a part in the boundaries. Upstate NY wasn't really part of the equation as the settlements began along the coast.
Pointlesswonder802 t1_j503zph wrote
Istanbul. Not Constantinople. No it’s Istanbul not Constantinople
Suspicious-Plane-738 t1_j50491q wrote
Fuck the Yankees!
learnandknow t1_j506owo wrote
The current NE states shielded NY from whatever, so NE states are NE states and no other state gets to share that title. ;-)
FrostBellaBlue t1_j50emqr wrote
Us New English are the true Yankees 😤
PakkyT t1_j50fzch wrote
Because... fuck New York... that's is why
Lil_Brown_Bat t1_j50hd51 wrote
Don't forget the smell!
New York smells like cow.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j50hzkm wrote
this is a way more accurate answer than the "because they suck" that i expected for a top comment.
MayaIngenue t1_j50lk11 wrote
Never forget that the original western border for Mass. was supposed to be the Pacific ocean
Daily_the_Project21 t1_j50o9xi wrote
But they do suck
chomerics t1_j50p53f wrote
The Hudson River?
New Amsterdam was a Dutch settlement, New England was settled by England is the real reason though.
IKnowYouTried t1_j50q63b wrote
My guess is the Hudson River valley historically was a pretty substantial geographical barrier. It pretty much follows the Western edge of New England.
Bluto58 t1_j50shy6 wrote
Because they hate the Red Sox. If they publicly repent we’ll consider their application.
remiry t1_j50x72k wrote
The Yankees fans.
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sunnyd311 t1_j513qhx wrote
They were super creative with the names, huh?
elfkitty4 t1_j516kgs wrote
Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.
eury13 t1_j5190yi wrote
Yankees suck.
mushroomhead22 t1_j51a4xw wrote
I'm from Connecticut.. We don't want them part of New England cuz they rude as hell and drive crazy as shit.. I'm playing I love NYC
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HeyaShinyObject t1_j51f5ew wrote
Early on (pre revolution), Connecticut extended to the Hudson. There was some treaty that brought the line east to where it is now.
Istarien t1_j51ke0w wrote
I grew up in Western NY and now live in MA, and no. They are not the same. If, by "upstate," you mean the capital district, that might be a different thing. I haven't spent enough time in Albany's immediate environs to know what it's like.
DJScrubatires t1_j51kqlz wrote
Yankees suck
TheDeadlySpaceman t1_j51lcvq wrote
Louisiana also has “Parishes” instead of counties and a bunch of other napoleonic law bs
Jakius t1_j51pivr wrote
Don't forget the effect of water on community economy. New England developed on coastal trade and the Connecticut River. New York developed on the Hudson River and the Great lakes trade. Vermont is a bit odd but it's trade mostly goes down south to the Connecticut River still.
SeasonalBlackout t1_j51qn0v wrote
>New York smells like cow shit.
fixed.
[deleted] t1_j51rf9g wrote
The Quebecois word for this always made cow poop smell far more appealing, phonetically. Silage. J’adore le silage á New York.
[deleted] t1_j51s1ox wrote
New England in the 1680s was an incorporated colonial dominion under British imperial rule that had its own distinct legal system and geographic definition. The other notable British imperial dominion in North America appeared in the late 19th century and ended up being its own country a few years later. That dominion is some little place called “Canada.”
More on New England dominion: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_of_New_England
fauxpublica t1_j51stt6 wrote
No kidding.
SeasonalBlackout t1_j51uf6x wrote
After smelling silage and building word association it becomes a lot less appealing quickly!
[deleted] t1_j51uhst wrote
Hahahaha very true 😁
buddaycousin t1_j51xsr2 wrote
Funny, in English "silage" is grass that has been fermented. Cows love the stuff.
[deleted] t1_j51xw2w wrote
Yep. I suspect it looks much the same on both ends of the digestive journey 🤣
Old-Faithlessness266 t1_j5228t8 wrote
Because Yankees suck
noghostlooms t1_j525kwy wrote
*English Puritans.
Dont_Call_Me_Sir t1_j52crad wrote
Massachusetts was stronger than the Yorkers. We kicked the British out of here faster than York could only imagine. To this day people of Mass can’t stand NY.
Dont_Call_Me_Sir t1_j52cvnw wrote
The Yankees suck!!
Dont_Call_Me_Sir t1_j52d5dv wrote
Check your Geography. Water rights is the difference.
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Megsmik8 t1_j52mikr wrote
No its not. It's a Northeastern State. There's no map anywhere that it's a Mid-Atlantic state.
DJScrubatires t1_j52rxsr wrote
DAAAAAAAAAAA YANKEES LOSE
Small-Builder3855 t1_j52ww3j wrote
It’s because they suck. Don’t need any other reason.
3720-To-One t1_j532i8f wrote
New Amsterdam does sound a lot cooler
802grrl t1_j5396ir wrote
Speaking for Vermont, we had protracted land disputes with NY that caused VT to be its own First Republic independent from the US for about nine years, with our own constitution, currency, and governance - then it went all downhill. 🤪 Made us very grumpy and cantankerous. That's why VT is not an original 13 colony because a bunch of money grubbing Yankees wanted money for native lands that were never theirs. And probably added to the drift between upstate NYS and VT/NE.
justvisiting7744 t1_j53cwh1 wrote
because they SUCK #GOPATS
nick-j- t1_j53dpho wrote
I will add that central/Western New York does have a New England feel to it, especially around Buffalo in their suburbs.
igotquesoonmynarwhal t1_j54ejay wrote
New Yorkers.
CRoss1999 t1_j5bkbyt wrote
See I used to think of upstate New York as part of New England so I’m not certain, maybe because New York was Dutch,
fauxpublica t1_j4ylubu wrote
I’m no historian, but I wonder if it’s the Dutch. The New England states were English colonies to a large extent, while New York was originally New Amsterdam. Were the differences cultural rather than geographic?