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saltthefries t1_ix26lc6 wrote

There is more abundant supply of natural gas in Pennsylvania / the Marcellus basin, available at lower prices, that cannot economically get to New England without more pipeline capacity*. The New England utilities must import liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the winter to provide sufficient energy to meet demand in the region. It is not infinite, but it's better. There's also room to drill more in the mid-continent or displace industrial demand by price sensitive consumers (like petrochemical plants and aluminum smelters).

Piping in gas also is more energy efficient and cost effective, because it doesn't have to be chilled to a liquid at -254 F and kept at that temperature for ocean or rail transport.

LNG prices are going to the moon because Europe has replaced most of its pipeline imports of gas from Russia with ocean borne LNG since Russia invaded more of Ukraine this spring. French nuclear production also under-performed this summer, due to weather and technical issues, and this caused Europe to burn more gas than forecast over the summer.

LNG export capacity (and shipping capacity, to a lesser extent) is constrained over the short to medium term. Adding capacity / building terminals takes several years at best. More gas from the mid-continent would be liquefied and shipped (likely to Europe) if the capacity existed today.

The short term impacts of more pipeline capacity into New England would do the following:

  • significantly reduce energy prices here,
  • slightly increase them in the mid-continent
  • might make a significant dent** in global LNG prices which would help importers like Europe and Japan while costing exporters like Qatar and Russia

Not adding more energy supply to New England quickly, whether through pipelines or transmission lines is not just a regional political / economic blunder, but an unforced geopolitical error by the United States. The region skated by on cheap LNG prices for a while after decommissioning a lot of coal power plants, but now that gamble isn't working out.

I support more renewable energy in New England. I'm more skeptical on any greenfield nuclear expansion because there's not a good track record of building nuclear plants in this country that don't require massive bailouts / have cost blowouts in my lifetime. I'd be surprised if a nuclear power site could be agreed upon in less than a decade, given local politics.

I think that the MA political leadership needs to cut a deal with Maine to make the whole transmission line project from Quebec more appealing. Seriously, let anybody with a Maine license plate park at Logan for free, get free Red Sox tickets, let them redesign the MA state flag, or whatever....

I also think the congressional delegation might need to cut some kind of deal to force some more pipeline capacity through New York.

*This might change if gas prices double or triple... then you might see more rail cars and possibly trucks carrying LNG.

**This is due to the extremely tight market for LNG driven by the Russia / Ukraine war and related sanctions.

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Jfrenchy t1_ix3ausd wrote

Also repeal the Jones Act

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icwhatudiddere t1_ix3mmhv wrote

The problem with repealing the Jones Act is a huge amount of ocean transport is controlled by Chinese and other un-friendly countries. If we don’t develop an domestic shipping industry soon, we’ll be beholden to foreign powers. Can you imagine a scenario where the USA attempted to intervene on the behalf of an ally and the result was no power or heat in New England. Our economy collapses and people panic. If we want gas from Texas, we need to pressure our elected officials to incentivize an American LNG fleet.

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MBOSY t1_ix5stya wrote

If the Jones Act is repealed, US shipbuilding is done for.

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somegridplayer t1_ix3e9hg wrote

> I'd be surprised if a nuclear power site could be agreed upon in less than a decade

It won't ever happen. You can't even build a fucking cell tower without some asshole claiming it'll give their children cancer and fall down and set your entire town on fire.

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mini4x t1_ix3t67u wrote

Why can't we rebuild Pilgrim?

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wittgensteins-boat t1_ix6aowk wrote

A company owns the site, and the existing outdated, out moded and used up plant must be dismantled first.

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saltthefries t1_ix3j357 wrote

Lol I was trying to be generous. It also seems like the Merrimack Valley is a somewhat politically convenient dumping ground in MA, with a river for cooling.

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movdqa t1_ix3z3c0 wrote

Seabrook, NH has a second pad for another nuclear plant. NH exports power as it has Seabrook and the AEP NG plant in Londonderry. An additional plant would provide additional capacity for export.

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saltthefries t1_ix4cm4r wrote

Yes, expanding nuclear production at existing brownfield sites makes sense. To clarify my earlier comment, greenfield = new location currently not permitted for nuclear power.

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wittgensteins-boat t1_ix6ahb2 wrote

Federal law allows companies the authority to over-ride local zoning and state impediments to cell tower placements.

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somegridplayer t1_ix7jtu5 wrote

Federal law allows local governments to deny construction permits for cell towers, however, such denial must be based on a reasoned approach; otherwise the FCC is authorized to preempt the local decision and grant the permit. The 1996 Telecommunications Act preserves local government zoning authority as it relates to cell tower siting, but it provides three key protections for firms seeking to erect a tower:

Local ordinances may not “unreasonably” discriminate among providers of functionally equivalent services. Tower siting policies must not favor one company, or one technology, over another;

Local government may not impose a blanket prohibition against the placement of telecommunications towers; and

Local ordinances may not impose more stringent “environmental effects” limits on radio frequency emissions than those adopted by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

Stolen from... I just closed the tab. Anyhow, in some cases the carriers will just throw up their hands and say "fuck, we'll put it somewhere else, enjoy your shitty service" if the locals are piss babies.

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wittgensteins-boat t1_ix7kdz5 wrote

Half of the towers in my town are outside of the zoning regime for location. Tower owners regularly deal with the issue and construct where appropriate.

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somegridplayer t1_ix7l408 wrote

In the case of my town, the location was absolutely perfect for my part of the town. The only catch was a massive douchebag across the street trying to sell their abomination multi million dollar home. So they took up the reign of "towers cause cancer! it'll fall down and set the day care not actually near where it would fall on fire and kill your children!" and shit like that.

A shitty website and a couple street fairs later and lots of mailers, AT&T noped out after listening to their bullshit at a town meeting about it and decided to put it elsewhere, which did not improve our neighborhood's reception at all.

And nobody still wants to buy the douchebag's house.

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wittgensteins-boat t1_ix7nqxx wrote

5G and subsequent generations of highest frequency band cell networks are likely to be on telephone poles.

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TeacherGuy1980 OP t1_ix3mf9r wrote

Thank you for this post. I now have a better understanding of the natural gas pipelines versus LNG.

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Another_Reddit t1_ix3etff wrote

Exactly this. Yes we need to prioritize renewables to achieve our climate goals and ween ourselves off of fossil fuels, but it’s be disingenuous to say building more pipelines wouldn’t make an impact on energy prices.

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mini4x t1_ix3t30s wrote

Didn't New York already block the PA pipeline?

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saltthefries t1_ix3uhez wrote

Some political hardball with New York State might be necessary. Here's my speculative take-

Congress could pass a law to force it. It's interstate commerce. The MA congressional delegation + Republicans is sufficient to pass in the house. It probably gets through the Senate without needing Warren's vote because there are some Democrats in the Senate who would vote for a bill due to the geopolitics w/ Russia & Europe.

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wittgensteins-boat t1_ix6a7r8 wrote

The Maine / Quebec line restarted construction after the Maine Supreme Court indicated that the project had the right to continue, having been started construction before the referendum was an idea

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