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I really wish the industry would get together to come up with a new cross-platform messaging standard so we could get rid of iMessage
lazergator t1_jda7ks7 wrote
We don’t need to get rid of iMessage just make it accessible on other platforms.
olanmills t1_jda7tqi wrote
It would be better to have a standard controlled by an independent industry body, not Apple
KnockKnockPizzasHere t1_jdae2gn wrote
We do have one, it’s called SMS!
olanmills t1_jdagu39 wrote
Yes, but SMS is antiquated. iMessage, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and other similar services offer some important features that are very beneficial. The first among them is that that are end-to-end encrypted. This means that no one can see the contents of the messages except the senders and recipients. For example, if Facebook wanted to see the messages, even if someone was compelling them to, like the government, or the mob kidnaps an employee or whatever, it's simply not possible.
Also, a proper digital messaging service can handle messages as robust packages of information, with a format that is extensible, not just a raw message. It would be able to better handle group messaging scenarios and threads. You can get feedback if messages have been delivered. It would be able to better handle network interruptions. It allows for fun stuff like reactions and stuff. They could build better ways to block and report spam and harmful content.
SMS wasn't designed to handle these sorts of things
Dadguy8 t1_jdaiu9v wrote
Rcs. But apple is fighting it.
olanmills t1_jdalxwx wrote
The big problem with RCS is that encryption is not part of the standard
Dadguy8 t1_jdamqo5 wrote
But just as google does, apple could ensure it’s included.
medlina26 t1_jdaolor wrote
Do you know how they included encryption in RCS? By making it go through Google servers. Whether you believe apple or not on their stance on security/privacy they have a better track record than Google does in that department. Is it a marketing tool for Apple? Absolutely. Is it still better than trusting Google to do the right thing? In my opinion, yes.
Not even the majority of carriers want to dick with RCS which is where support really should start.
Apple has shown they are willing to work towards a common standard (matter/thread being recent examples) so them not passing messages through Google servers in this case seems to be more an alignment with their public statements about privacy, even if you ignore the obvious marketing around it.
Dadguy8 t1_jdaq1yp wrote
I 100% believe apple is purposefully avoiding working with google on fixing the issue. They don’t want it better for android people. They just want them to switch to apple. Which I get. But still doesn’t change that apple is not willing to fix this.
Matter is a standard that benefits apple cause barely anything suppers HomeKit.
medlina26 t1_jdax2ez wrote
You believing it doesn't make it true. Even if there's some truth to it (there is) it is possible for both things to be true. That being apple wants to convert android users, which honestly if this feature alone converts you then you deserve to have your money taken, as well as them not wanting to pass messages through Google owned servers for privacy reasons.
The fact you think no devices support homekit is complete nonsense. There are a shit ton of options that support it. The biggest gap in coverage are cameras and even there are a handful of options. Matter/thread benefits everyone. Apple included.
Dadguy8 t1_jday4al wrote
It’s not even about believing, its the truth. Google started a whole campaign calling out apple for not helping to create a standard or utilize rcs.
It’s nowhere near google and Amazon. So yeah, in comparison, it pales.
medlina26 t1_jdb0m4f wrote
Yes. Global company creates marketing campaign to call out other global company in which they clearly present ALL of the facts and don't gloss over any of the problems or faults of their own. Good job Google. Mission accomplished.
Quantity isn't more important that quality and homekit covers largely everything people actually want. That's like saying the Nintendo e-shop is the best because it has so many games while ignoring that most of them are complete dogshit.
Google will probably abandon home like they have with so many other products and Amazon already wishes they didn't have Alexa because it hasn't netted them anywhere close to the return they hoped for as it relates to purchases from their website.
It's pretty obvious that nuance and context aren't very important to you so there's not much point in continuing beyond this point.
Dadguy8 t1_jdb15sn wrote
Whatever you say lol not surprised I find this kind of apple obsession in an iPhone subreddit.
Dick_Lazer t1_jdbd7wm wrote
> It’s not even about believing, its the truth. Google started a whole campaign calling out apple for not helping to create a standard or utilize rcs.
Well yeah, Google likes to spread propaganda that trashes their competitors, and you fell for their marketing campaign. The basic fact is Apple passing messages through Google's servers would make Apple user data far less secure. And Apple makes most of its money selling high priced products, where Google makes most of their money selling your data. It makes no sense for Apple to betray their user base like that, when privacy is one of their main selling points.
Dadguy8 t1_jdcca2a wrote
They can still use rcs. They use sms now. No reason to not implement rcs. Encryption or not. SMS doesn’t have it anyway.
olanmills t1_jdar7zd wrote
Google has RCS encryption, but it only works for the Google Messages app. That's not their fault; it has to be that way since it's not part of the RCS standard
Dadguy8 t1_jdasnq4 wrote
While yeah, I want encryption. There’s still no reason apple can’t include rcs. SMS already doesn’t have encryption. So what does it matter. Jsut apple being apple.
HugoMongo t1_jdam847 wrote
RCS in its most widespread form is handled through Google’s servers. RCS as we need it isn’t happening because carriers are ass. If they replaced SMS with RCS, Apple would have no choice but to use it for fallback.
Dadguy8 t1_jdamnx0 wrote
Google has made it clear they want to work with apple on it. They have a whole campaign on it. Whether how true it is behind the scenes, I have no idea. But they seem to be willing whereas apple, not so much.
HugoMongo t1_jdcetfh wrote
Then you're trading one proprietary system for another. Fallback systems need to be open standards and not managed by one corporation. Right now that is the technical equivalent of saying Apple should have integrated Google Hangouts into iMessage. There needs to be a push from the FCC to sunset SMS.
Dadguy8 t1_jdcgmgx wrote
Just like sms, rcs is the next evolution of that standard. Apple could move to it.
bristow84 t1_jdcgnfr wrote
Think about it from Apple's side, the RCS implementation that is most widely used is controlled by Google and run through Google's servers.
Do you really think they'd want to hand that kind of control over users and their messages over to Google, regardless of whether it's encrypted? Apple has made a big push over the last little while of trying to appear security focused, a decision like that wouldn't help.
Also soon as Google opens up the API to allow third party texting apps like Textra to use RCS, then I might be more willing to believe Google wants to work with anyone on it rather than control it themselves.
Dadguy8 t1_jdci03o wrote
But who handles sms? I thought l rcs was just the next iteration of sms. Then google adds the encryption part of it. Can’t apple do it for their devices? I mean I guess you could say why when they have iMessage but if they’re so concerned about privacy, it would make iOS users completely secure then. Because technically apple users are vulnerable when texting via sms.
tanbirj t1_jdae2nx wrote
Or Facebook?
dogethanos t1_jdbfa2f wrote
It's available through Sunbird. Check it out. It's pretty cool
Boring-Option-5696 t1_jdakep5 wrote
And this is why we need Apple to adopt RCS. It’s basically the new standard, after SMS.
olanmills t1_jdalyha wrote
The big problem with RCS is that encryption is not part of the standard
AWF_Noone t1_jdamtp9 wrote
Forgive my ignorance, I have no idea how this all works, but could Apple implement encryption locally? Encrypt the message before it’s sent on device, send the encrypted message, and the recipient would receive an un-encription key?
Would that work?
olanmills t1_jdaqlnf wrote
That would work, but for it to work across different devices/and or carriers, they would all need to work together to implement it in a mutually intelligible way. If it wasn't part of the RCS standard, then it would basically be different device makers and/or carriers having side agreements with each other. So they use their own encryption scheme on either end with RCS in the middle. With situations like that it becomes too easy for the side agreements to not be the same everywhere amongst all parties, which ends up being confusing for consumers and possibly broken. It would lead to things like, oh these features work between these carriers, but not these, or if you message your cousin in Germany, you have to remember to use a different setting than when you message your friend in California, etc. It would be better if end-to-end encryption was part of the RCS standard, which I guess means we already need an RCS 2.0
duaempat05 t1_jdbcyga wrote
whatsapp dan Telegram are cross-platform messaging apps
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