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Alphanova1 OP t1_j7uqpyf wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in 14 Pro Max photos look awful! When will this be fixed? by Alphanova1

If people are complaining then its an issue... I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung. 😒

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Lunafreya_NoxF t1_j7v0qc8 wrote

> If people are complaining then its an issue


But Apple doesn’t think so.

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j7vjbzl wrote

it’s not about them it’s about the users

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SeeYouHenTee t1_j7vnyu4 wrote

If the users complain on online forums Instead of going to Apple directly to request change what’s it gonna do for them?

“Why has Apple no addressed this issue?” Because most people don’t complain trough the right channels or to the right people.

Like complaining to your dog about an issue you have with someone.

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chemicalsam t1_j7w02e8 wrote

Stop acting like Apple doesn’t keep track of what’s going on online

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JollyRoger8X t1_j7wl0no wrote

Perhaps, but Apple has official feedback mechanisms in place for a reason.

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SeeYouHenTee t1_j7w2lfr wrote

Apple head quarters : oh no a post, on an online iPhone dedicated forum of 3 700 000 people, about how bad our processing looks has gotten 30-400 upvotes, we must change everything right now

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mrchumblie t1_j7xhubt wrote

When a tech reviewer with 16 million followers on YouTube makes a video about it, you’d be stupid to think Apple isn’t aware that this is a growing opinion amongst iPhone users.

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Temporary-Data-102 t1_j7yek2q wrote

Those “tech reviewers” are mostly simple users not specialists so stop glorying bunch of guys with shallow tech knowledge as someone that is reputable only because his base is 10 millions of insignificant 14/20 yo guysđŸ˜©

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j7zkxur wrote

normally, and it’s not “everything”, just put a switch so we can disable smart HDR

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[deleted] t1_j82bfdj wrote

They actually removed that option lol the 11/12 has it.

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j7w0415 wrote

people have been submitting appeals to change the heavy processing through the links apple set for problems etc, since the iphone 12 came out, 3 major updates later, still no change, because they simply do not care about their users. being biased definitely won’t help either

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JollyRoger8X t1_j7wkwaj wrote

What is much more likely is that the people who actually submit feedback about this represent a vocal minority which is only a small sliver of the total user base, and Apple is weighing their input accordingly.

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j7zko28 wrote

every single tech outlet, reviewer and iphone user has complained and submitted feedbacks at one point, when the iphone 12 launched people used to put feedback links here so we can all submit, and every other day there’s someone complaining about it, it shows that it definitely is not a minority. plus there’s iphone users all around the world and some of them cannot even speak english so there’s no way for them to submit feedback. stop justifying apple’s actions, stop letting them restrict our freedom in our phones.

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rainforestparadise t1_j7xg2z3 wrote

Surely you’re not so stupid that you think no one submits actual complaints. How can you seriously think that people only post on here and that it?

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SeeYouHenTee t1_j7xh4id wrote

You read “most people don’t complain trough the right channels” as “no one complains trough the right channels”?

There might be someone stupid in this thread, but it ain’t me.

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rainforestparadise t1_j7xjzy4 wrote

Nah it’s definitely you. There’s literally no reason for you to say anything you said.

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ThatDamnWalrus t1_j7wmbm0 wrote

Users can complain to apple directly.

It doesn’t matter until the focus groups apple runs every day agrees. If they think people want unrealistic colors through their focus group testing, it doesn’t matter what anyone emails them.

I love your enthusiasm though thinking that Apple is reading every email and addressing every issue someone has. Like this hasn’t been widely reported on by nearly every tech outlet and reviewer, as well as posted about on forums. “But hey! Just send them an email and they will fix it asap!” It’s hilarious.

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Humorous-Prince t1_j7vzjxq wrote

Apple don’t care about the users, more about their already obscene bank balance.

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Subieworx t1_j7xa9jl wrote

Lol. It's about corporate earnings and anyone who tells you different is lying.

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bristow84 t1_j7w1k2t wrote

>I don't want my photos automatically edited after I click the shutter button. This is my biggest problem with this phone and I really hope they address this because it's the first time since 2014 that I have thought about moving away from Apple to Samsung.

Yes Apple's Post-Processing is heavy but I'm pretty sure all smartphones automatically do processing and editing of the photos after clicking the shutter button.

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vewfndr t1_j7x08gi wrote

Of course they do. But Apple's is awful.

Had a similar move as OP... went from the XS Max to the 13PM and not at all a fan of the processing. But I'm in the group of people Apple loves and takes advantage of because I won't be moving away because of it.

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EfficientAccident418 t1_j7wgc0r wrote

I have to believe Apple has done its due diligence when it comes to finding out what the average smartphone user wants out of their camera. If you (like me) don’t care for the default iPhone camera output, then continue to shoot in ProRaw or use Lightroom Mobile to capture DNG images. That way you’ have the latitude you need to make your photos look the way you want.

Even if you had a professional-grade camera, you wouldn’t be happy with the native jpeg output; the algorithms that choose the level of sharpening, the colors, etc are designed around the average person. This is why most photographers shoot RAW.

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jerseyboy856 t1_j7vzy3t wrote

Samsung does this also. It’s why their pictures look over saturated.

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Jozex21 t1_j7y9q21 wrote

not anymore. s23 photo have very light processing they toned down even noise reduction

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jerseyboy856 t1_j80k9g0 wrote

I’m going to have to take your word for it because I haven’t used the s23 yet

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mrchumblie t1_j7xhf7i wrote

Idk why you’re being downvoted. It’s the truth and I hope Apple acknowledges it sooner than later.

Apple does like to see things in their special way, but the over sharpening and over processing is disappointing for what is supposed to be their flagship phone.

MKHBD even made a video about it. Downvoting someone because “Apple doesn’t see it that way” is a great way to silence feedback that continue to highlight the problem to Apple across different channels.

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Hey-wheres-my-spoon t1_j7vv28e wrote

Apple has been doing this for years tho
 when you click the shutter button in the camera app is does a whole lot more than just open and close the shutter and shit you out the image the sensors get.

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alexplank t1_j7yh7ke wrote

it doesn't open and close the shutter. That shutter sound you hear is coming out of the speakers

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phero1190 t1_j7xqn9c wrote

Apple tells you how to use your device because apple knows best, they don't care about user feedback

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PauloSera t1_j7wkp01 wrote

>If people are complaining then its an issue

People are stupid.

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mrchumblie t1_j7xi08a wrote

You shouldn’t need to shoot in PRO Raw to get a decent photo on a smartphone. Stop calling people with legitimate grievances idiots.

There’s plenty of photographers who have raised the issue as of late online.

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Temporary-Data-102 t1_j7yf0pw wrote

Do you have deficit of intelligence or something? Guy who makes photos using only his smartphone isn’t a photographer because there is need almost no skill to do so, if you want to do professional photos you don’t use your smartphones camera but you invest in dedicated camera to do it.

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mrchumblie t1_j7zjspu wrote

Are you a troll or just intentionally misreading my point?

I’ll repeat it so I’m clear: you shouldn’t need to shoot in RAW to get decent photos on Apple’s flagship smartphone. Anyone who jumped from the iPhone XS to the 13 or 14 (pro or not) can see that there is an issue with overexposure, oversharpening, and just a general change in how HDR is being handled.

Apple took away the HDR toggle option in the camera settings starting with the 13 and imo it was a mistake.

My 14 pro takes incredible photos, especially in RAW or with third party apps, but I shouldn’t have friends asking why the stock camera settings make their photos look weird and synthetic when they upgrade to one of the newer phones.

Having to adjust the settings to get a decent photo is antithetical to apple’s ethos towards the iPhone user experience. IMO they know this is an issue but haven’t acknowledged it yet. The 15 or 16 will hopefully have the software adjusted to match the new sensors and hardware on the 14 pro.

Sorry if that makes you angry but there’s a whole lotta people with technical knowledge of cameras and photography that have raised this issue. To respond to your other reply to my other comment, yes professional photographers use “real” cameras for their work but they also snap shots with their cell phone. To discount their knowledge because they’re using a smartphone is idiotic as the gap between DSLR and smartphone cameras gets smaller as the years go by and tech improves.

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Temporary-Data-102 t1_j835lu6 wrote

let’s set something: “having to adjust settings is unethical towards Apple consumers ethos” just where and who said this? When I first time open camera app there is guided tutorial to setup everything so your point is invalid on this aspect. Apparently yours problem is why the iPhone 14 pro when you use normal mode is doing decent photos but is using 12MP instead 48MP and this is bringing us back to HOW iPhone 14 pro does the fotos, how pixel binning works, impact of file size if you want speak star backing up your statement with real data not subjective opinions.

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j7zk2v7 wrote

it’s not about professional photos, it’s just wanting natural looking photos and not oil paintings once you shoot at 5x zoom, it’s annoying that a trillion dollar company can’t listen to their customers. and calling others stupid won’t make what you say valid.

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Temporary-Data-102 t1_j836laj wrote

Don’t buy iPhone 14 pro if you want do 5x zoom as it doesn’t have periscope lens.rumours are saying that they will put them on iPhone 15 pro/ultra. So still I doesn’t understand your point, as all of your arguments are ridiculous without being backed up with and data. This is driving me mad 😡

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Apprehensive-Ad-8900 t1_j84tewz wrote

first of all don’t tell me what to do with my money, second of all no one said anything about periscope lenses, not my fault all points fly over your head

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