Wazzok1 t1_ivcimyu wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in They fled persecution in Nazi Germany. Then the British put them behind barbed wire by lanzkron
>It wasn't 2022.
This not only implies that it wasn't an injustice in 1940 and that nobody was against it at the time, but that in the same context today, the British government wouldn't intern refugees from enemy combatant states.
Think about what you're saying.
RavenReel t1_ivckrff wrote
It implies that in the early 1900s there wasn't close to as much immigration as there is now and big brutal wars were kinda common. Having 20,000 immigrants or refugees coming from the country attacking you might be a little overwhelming and dangerous. The only thing they could do was to isolate people. There likely wasn't a decision to punish the Germans because they were Jews. It was likely to protect the Allies. Everyone was on board because they might have lost the war otherwise. You or I don't know the complete context of camps, we weren't there. And 'you' have no idea how '1940 you' would react to the camps.
Wazzok1 t1_ivcm8kk wrote
I didn't dispute the reasons for internment, so I'll say it again: you also implied that in the same context today, the British government wouldn't intern refugees from enemy combatant states.
To answer your second point, there was absolutely opposition to the camps at the time, from mainstream British newspapers, members of the public, and from the internees. It doesn't matter that I wasn't there; there's more than enough evidence that a number of people were against it at the time.
RavenReel t1_ivcyau0 wrote
Sorry.i misunderstood.
Internment camps wouldn't happen today. Not the slightest chance.
And I shouldn't say everyone. There is always a certain portion of the population that are fighting for rights. Tens of thousands of Germans just showed up so let's say the vast majority didn't want Germans wandering around possibly spying.
Wazzok1 t1_ivei86z wrote
During the 2015 refugee crisis, hundreds of thousands of people were placed in internment camps across Europe, one of the most notable being the 'Calais Jungle' in France. So, one, this establishes that internment camps are still to this day legitimised policy responses to an influx of refugees.
Secondly, Russia has been interning Ukrainian refugees in camps since it invaded the country last February, where they are tortured before being 'filtrated' into Russia. Bosnian refugees were systematically tortured in Serbian refugee camps in the 1990s. In 1974, Paramali Forest camp was set up in Cyprus to take in Greek Cypriot refugees after Turkey invaded the island. So, two, the three most recent examples of European nations interning refugees during times of war show that there's no reason why an internment camp 'wouldn't happen today'.
RavenReel t1_ivglohr wrote
This is just all a big baiting game I see.
Second point first... Russia doesn't really matter as I said 'West' and Putin isn't listening to anyone anyway.
And Calais wasnt built by France to contain 'the enemy'. To the best of my knowledge Calais was an organic migrant camp started by migrants as they waited to legally enter France or return to England.
I'm talking about government run camps built in order to control an 'enemy' county's people is a prison-like compound.
Wazzok1 t1_ivgw2u1 wrote
Honestly, it's not a baiting game. It's a discussion. We're fine.
- You'll notice that I gave two examples other than Russia. Conveniently you ignored them.
- The reason I separated my two points was because I'm fully aware Calais isn't an example of internment during war time. I clearly explained myself in italics.
Let me spell it out for you. The Calais Jungle shows that interning refugees is still a legitimate policy of 'Western' countries like France during peacetime. The examples of Russia, Serbia and Cyprus show that there is no reason to believe that during a state of war, Western nations would not intern 'enemy aliens' today.
NiceButOdd t1_ivcw3t3 wrote
59000 initially, then 80000 more and 10000 orphans. I deeply wish more were saved.
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