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PIGFOOF t1_j76pp28 wrote
Countless books talk about Stalin's preparation for war by having Generals Zhukov and Pavlov battle each other in a war game in early 1941, but fail to show how this game was conducted. Was it on a board, like chess? Was it on a large map with pins? How was it conducted?
Edit: it was General Pavlov not Meretskov (I think).
tatramatra t1_j784t0s wrote
Not sure about this particular case, but war games like that were conducted on maps.
KingHunter150 t1_j7aep9q wrote
I have never heard of wargames by Generals of that magnitude in Russia or Germany battle out on a table top scenario. I think you misinterpreted what war games were in that period. What Zuhkov and Meretskov did do was a massive military practice exercise with thousands of troops and vehicles to practice maneuvers and tactics. This is normal procedure, and in that particular war game Zuhkov won.
PIGFOOF t1_j7c5oji wrote
Thank you.
_MrSnippy_ t1_j7941uu wrote
can you provide a source on that wargame? I'm curious
PIGFOOF t1_j7c5h6v wrote
Here's one excerpt, from Stalin:Tragedy & Triumph, by Dmitri Volkogonov
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It would be hard to find a precedent in history when one of the sides on the
eve of a mortal conflict had so damaged itself. Zhukov recalled that during a
large-scale war game in December 1940, he was given command of the ‘Blues’,
that is the German side, while Army General Pavlov, commander-in-chief of
the Western special military district, commanded the ‘Reds’. It so happened,
Zhukov recalled, that he developed his operations precisely along the lines that
the real battles would take in six months’ time. He claimed that his tactics were
dictated by the configuration of the borders, the terrain and circumstances. He
deduced that the Nazis would make the same calculations. Even though the
umpires artificially slowed the progress of the ‘Blues’, in eight days they
advanced to the district of Baranovichi. When in January 1941 Zhukov
reported on the exercise to the Chief War Council he drew attention to the
unfavourable system of fortified districts along the new border, suggesting they
be moved back 100 kilometres. This was criticism of a decision that had been
taken by Stalin. Stalin, meanwhile, listened attentively but was puzzled why
the ‘Blues’ were so strong, why had such strong German forces been deployed
by the rules of our own game? Zhukov replied that this corresponded to the
Germans’ real capabilities and was based on a real assessment of the forces
they could deploy against us in the opening phase of the war, thereby gaining
great superiority by their first strike.
Stalin found Zhukov’s report comprehensive, and he admired the bold way
Zhukov argued his case, and soon, in February 1941, he appointed him chief
of the General Staff, one of his best decisions in this area, as future events
would show.
I guess by my re-reading this, it does appear to be not a boardroom exercise, but rather a boots on the ground experience.
Here's another, by Ian Grey in Stalin, Man of Steel, in which he says the games were with Zhukov and Meretskov.
> Meretskov remained Chief of the General Staff for only a few months. Large-scale maneuvers played an important part in this period of intensive training. The first of the war games under Meretskov's direction took place in Belorussia in the late summer of i940, and Stalin accepted the evaluation of these maneuvers. Shortly after the second war game, held at the end of the year, however, Meretskov and the senior commanders were unexpectedly summoned to the Kremlin to report personally. Stalin and other members of the Politburo and the Chief Military Council were present. Meretskov proved incapable of evaluating the main features of the maneuvers. Vatutin, his deputy, tried to come to his aid, but Stalin silenced him. When Meretskov referred to the Soviet field regulations to support an argument, Stalin dismissed them as propaganda, adding that "here among ourselves we have to talk in terms of our real capabilitics." Stalin had seen through Meretskov's bluff facade of confidence and mastery. On February 1, 1941, Zhukov became Chief of General Staff. >
I guess the question now becomes, Was it Pavlov or Meretskov? :P
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