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pinkcunt123 t1_j5tflh8 wrote

Aptx Low Latency/ adaptive probably.

I never understood why you'd use Bluetooth for gaming.

I mean, you are sitting perfectly still at one spot, which is the perfect condition for a wired connection.

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No-Context5479 t1_j5tg3c7 wrote

That is something that is still lost on me... Lol I just don't understand it

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kazuviking t1_j5tmatm wrote

For non competitive and console games its really convenient. You don't have to deal with cables just go out in the headset then come back and it auto connects.
EDIT learnt how spell.

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pinkcunt123 t1_j5tmzzg wrote

Or, you know, put down your headphones?

I don't see the convenience factor of having to keep my device charged and replacing it, once the battery has degraded. Very convenient for the manufacturer tho, as planned obsolescence (i.e. non replaceable batteries) keeps their business afloat.

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kazuviking t1_j5tqx0f wrote

You just don't get it. Some cannot "afford" to have cables lying everywhere or have a bad placement where long cables would be a problem. I use my old bt earphone when gaming on the big tv so i don't have a 5+m aux cable running from my room to the couch.

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WilsonPH t1_j5tjvrc wrote

You must use 2,4 GHz headhones or just wired, no bluetooth codec has good enough (at least for me) latency for gaming (aptxLL is pretty good, but at the cost of audio quality), and that is without using the mic. The moment you use the mic, quality drops to the ground on all codecs.

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PolemiGD t1_j5ttjy5 wrote

Exactly the codecs like LDAC, AAC, SBC tipically are mentioned when just audio is sent to a headphone/earbud, not when the mic audio is in use. It is another mess when it is about codecs that take in count the mic.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5tp64n wrote

Use wired.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u03f0 wrote

Bluetooth is laggy no matter how hard you try, the mic will also be shit. The sound will also be shit compared to wired. A wired headset is better in every way and why do you need wireless to be sat in one spot?

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u0g49 wrote

You want to game whilst around a corner from your monitor?

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[deleted] OP t1_j5u78yh wrote

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u7cxs wrote

You can get a ok get wire you know?

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u7vhl wrote

Not really? Bluetooth headphones aren’t meant for gaming and there’s reasons. You can get a 3m long wire if you really need it and any decent open backs will be better for gaming and any wired mic will beat a bluetooth solution. Like the old included EarPods apple used to ship with phones have better mice than any Bluetooth headphone I’ve heard.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u8ixn wrote

You want low latency headphones with good sound quality. Bluetooth means you cannot get low latency headphones. You need to be looking at wireless headsets that work via Wi-Fi if you want wireless and even then you’re getting poor quality audio and mic.

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5u9skd wrote

What good is that? That’s like nearly a second of latency you need like 1/20th if that to stop it being jarring

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5uax4o wrote

Because you’re being dumb. If someone wants a GPU for example to play CSGO at 1080p on a 60Hz monitor and they’re asking what 4090 is best people are obviously going to tell them that it’s a massive waste of money. Aikido for 0.7seconds of latency is just dumb. Pretty much any decent Bluetooth headset is comfortably below that. My QC45s are under half a second but they’re shit for gaming

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Pigeon_Chess t1_j5xrol6 wrote

It’s not a competitive things it’s a “this is jarring” thing. Plus you’re not getting good mic quality for people you’re talking to.

The delay for QC45s is around 0.2 seconds and the mix quality for gaming is bad, for quick calls they’re alright but not for a long conversation

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szakee t1_j5tfvup wrote

based on your own research, what do you think?

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ConsciousNoise5690 t1_j5tkz1i wrote

Most of the time if you have a mic, bluetooth switches to the headset profile delivering you 64 kbs mono sound.

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StrnglyCoincdtl t1_j5urw1c wrote

As far as I know it's not bluetooth or codec problem but windows/Microsoft implementation of bluetooth problem. If you want to use mic it switches to different BT profile ("hands-on" or something like that) and immediately drops audio quality due to this implementation and bandwidth constraints.

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StrnglyCoincdtl t1_j5xkyth wrote

Not exactly. If you do the same on android phone it just works - you can have hi quality stereo audio + high mic quality.

I tested it on couple of BT headphones and also had the same problem as you and also was sooooooo disappointed AF. I specifically bought BT headphones at the beginning of the pandemic only to find out that during skype/teams call I have potato quality.

Turns out that if you want mic + stereo audio, there are 'teams certified' headphones, exactly the same models as regular BT headphones from various manufacturers, but they have also a dongle 'mimic' BT (I think it's 2,4GHz though?) to cheat that retarded bluetooth Windows implementation.

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TagalogON t1_j5ttlgw wrote

TL;DR: AptX Adaptive (AptX Low Latency is replaced by AptX Adaptive) is what's easily available right now, wait for AptX Lossless or LC3 tech in 2024, lol.

Right now for mics, you can't really have good mic and low latency. Or even mic and high sound quality. It's just how the current Bluetooth system works everywhere.

Though now we actually have Bluetooth 5.3 and like LC3 tech stuff that promises/markets better microphones and latency altogether and so on.

Like Qualcomm just released the QCC5171 chipsets, I've seen some people they'll wait with QCC5181 chipsets because of all the LC3 tech or like AptX Lossless and so on stuff going on.

See this thread for AptX Adaptive dongles like KB9P and other Bluetooth related stuff like AptX Lossless, LC3 tech, et cetera: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/aptx-adaptive-aptx-lossless-usb-transmitters.961856/page-64

Or fml, I was recently accused of being a shill. Well, fans can shill especially when they post a lot like me as people will see it as stealth marketing/astroturfing/etc. if they are also always in every thread.

But I promise you, the following is not paid or otherwise from Qudelix, etc. I am just a regular person, not getting paid or anything by the audio people, I'm just trying to give back to the community. It's really repetitive, don't recommend doing it, lmao.

With that unnecessary disclaimer out of the way, look into the Qudelix 5K. LOL. It has microphone stuff with it.

Here's a more direct list of Qudelix 5K features that ReaLx3m recently wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zxd1dt/25mm_louder_than_35mm_feel_like_ive_just_been/j221re0/

But yes for latency or PC use, here's some more similar info on TWS earbuds and the UTWS3/5 TWS adapters: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/10g79j5/looking_for_low_latency_portable_bluetooth_ampdac/j542qp3/

The above direct reddit thread also talks about the Qudelix 5K, but here I'll post it again.

For the Qudelix 5K, with the v2.0 update, this is what Qudelix 5K had to say about latency:

> Optimized Bluetooth Audio Latency > > The new firmware offers considerably lower Bluetooth latency for all codecs than the previous firmware. Qudelix-5K doesn't support aptX-LL, but we're sure the 5K would deliver the industry's lowest audio latency over Bluetooth across all codecs.

In theory any device you pair the Qudelix 5K with will have the parametric EQ still applied. There's also the various preset parametric EQs already available, just manually adjust according to your taste. Like you'll probably want to fine-tune a bit the AutoEQ values.

Qudelix is making a gaming/7.1/etc. device called Qudelix T71, so no successor to the Qudelix 5K for maybe 2023 or 2024: https://forum.qudelix.com/post/qudelixt71-12037543?pid=1334122761

The Qudelix 5K has no competition for value and features. They recently released the v2.0 update, it's just unparalleled software achievement: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zsjmng/qudelix_5k_v20_update_released/

Here's a bit more info/resources/etc. about the Qudelix 5K Bluetooth amp/DAC dongle as it's often out of stock these days: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zgk4s8/equalizer_apo_doesnt_for_me_best_alternative/izhf43z/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zsjmng/qudelix_5k_v20_update_released/j18t8qo/

This thread link talks about the Qudelix 5K, AptX Adaptive dongles, and specifically Apple devices: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zc1znn/qudelix_5k_arent_these_issues_a_big_issue/iyuh35j/

I don't know if that new claim about best latency is decent enough for gaming (haven't had time to confirm), I don't use my Qudelix 5K that much outside of when I get new headphones or IEMs and test stuff. Or when I want to EQ with non-Windows PC devices.

Anyway, don't expect much as yes, you need a dedicated gaming/low latency mode most of the time outside of devices like the Qudelix 5K that have a lot of software and so on labor poured into them.

So for TWS earbuds/Bluetooth headphones, you'll probably want to instead use 2.4GHz headphones/headsets but those 2.4GHz headsets are not really well-reviewed for sound quality. So it's just trade-offs.

But yes there's now things like the new Soundcore VR P10 TWS earbuds for LC3 tech stuff, Kenneth Tanaka's (he focuses a lot on latency for TWS earbuds) video on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfX40jgy3Bg

I personally just game with my FiiO UTWS5. This is mainly for casual games, not competitive/ranked/etc. games. Like sometimes you can forget the lipsync delay is there. But if you're serious then you have to use wired as Bluetooth technology just isn't there yet.

Maybe when devices start releasing more LC3 tech stuff. That's probably in 2024 though, so save up money for that now as it'll be initially on the expensive gadgets, maybe. It's supposed to be a new standard though, so it'll probably be more easily accessible than other Bluetooth codecs before.

FiiO also has its new FW5 TWS earbuds, which is like the UTWS5 internals but with actual TWS earbuds stuff (no ANC though).

More info on the FW5 in relation to the UTWS5/future UTWS7/etc. and LC3, like Bluetooth latency stuff: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/z5pfj4/tws_iem_conversion_thingies/j2ps3qy/

Here's more info on TWS adapters like the FiiO UTWS3/5, KZ AZ09 Pro, etc. alongside adapters/converters, AptX Adaptive dongles (KB9P, YET-T10P, etc.), and so on needed for them: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/10hfuxn/wireless_earbuds_for_gaming_with_plugin_to/j58i33j/

Make sure you get the MMCX version of the UTWS3/5, here's more info about why (it's mainly due to IEMs that have recessed 2-pin ports, like the popular Moondrop lineup, etc.): https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/v3hs92/iems_help_need_a_new_pair/iaz200a/

If you're using the UTWS3 outside with your phone, you should be good, otherwise for PC, there could be connection issues.

Here's a bit of context on Bluetooth pairing/connection/battery drain issues with the UTWS3/5: https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/vjwq2p/never_thought_my_endgame_would_be_wireless_glad_i/idn2t9u/

Here's more (direct) updated info about the AptX Adaptive USB transmitter dongles (KB8P, KB9P, YET-T10P): https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/zr41fe/which_lossy_codec_to_use_compress_with_before/j12cdwt/

Just a disclaimer again, for the UTWS5, people don't like the microphones with that. And for me I don't use Bluetooth mics at all as I've had a standalone microphone setup for several years now. Though they're often just not that good, you'll want stem style TWS earbuds (like AirPods) if you want good Bluetooth microphone quality but yes don't expect much still.

Here's a bit more (same) info on gaming headset and headphones, especially for microphone setup or options and like noise suppression/et cetera: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/zvjj2y/do_not_buy_from_razer/j1psvlh/

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TagalogON t1_j5twah5 wrote

For AptX Adaptive it's pretty good, likely drains less battery than say using LDAC, LHDC, et cetera. At lowest volumes possible I normally get 6-7 hours with regular AptX. With AptX Adaptive it has say 30 minutes or 1 hour less, so that's the battery life, which is my main concern as I often use Bluetooth stuff nonstop (don't be like me and forget to take breaks, always let your ears breath every 30 minutes or 1 hour) for several hours, as in until the battery dies.

For sound quality, don't worry too much about it. Most of the time I use 16-bit and 24-bit FLACs and it's all good with AptX Adaptive and so on. It's just inherent Bluetooth limitations and so we have to accept it.

For the microphone quality, it depends on how the TWS earbuds or Bluetooth headphones company implemented the cVc 8.0 and other mic tech stuff. It's kinda variable and hard to say but yes don't really expect much with Bluetooth mics, better to get standalone mics if you want good results.

Because tbh, it's all serviceable microphone quality when it comes to integrated mics on wired IEM cables and these wireless TWS earbuds, it's just that sometimes people want more or like say you have background noise muffling everything, so search up noise suppression and all that.

Check out EposVox's Youtube channel for those mic/gaming/OBS/etc. stuff. Or actually Podcastage/etc. for more up to date microphone info.

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TagalogON t1_j5tv1nq wrote

FML, wrote or copy pasted too much again, here's an actual long ass post but in a single link when it comes to Bluetooth codecs, it's not that comprehensive though but provides decent enough info.

If you want Bluetooth or TWS earbuds for PC, here's also more direct info: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/z74tif/wireless_earphones_for_pc_microsoft_teams/iy59w0n/

So the TL;DR for that is make sure you disable the "Hands-free Telephony" in the Bluetooth devices or Sounds settings.

And then for microphone options, there's some new options for IEMs now.

Like there's products like the Kinera Gramr and so on.

Btw for the Gramr, some people say the sound quality is good, some people say it's not. There's a decent video from two weeks or so ago on the Kinera Gramr by Teknickel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzVpJkH4YI

Here's some more info for gaming with IEMs, more about microphones and so on: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeadphoneAdvice/comments/10hbqxz/budget_competitive_gaming_headphone_recommendation/j58hbcx/

For headphones there's the usual Antlion ModMic and so on stuff that you can attach on the side of the earcups.

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Tanachip t1_j5vcc52 wrote

I think the Apple AirPod Pro 2 meets this criteria, and it uses AAC. Mic enabled, stereo sound, and last I saw latency is around 120ms.

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BGBobRob t1_j5y6z6h wrote

Wait, am I just missing something? The Penrose does all of this. So it cant be that hard? You are looking for a solution to implement the gear you already have? Or you want something that can do what you described?

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ItsShoRyuKen t1_j5y8s54 wrote

Bluetooth isn't always laggy. I have some older Sony BT headphones, the WH-CH700N precisely. The latency is absurdly low, probably around 100ms using them on my phone. They also have Mic but I think they work on 2.4ghz. Not sure.

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BGBobRob t1_j655oks wrote

Audeze Penrose

Or a AntLion modmic.

I belive you are having problems running your setup over one BT device. Seperating them in to two devices. One for low latency stereo. And one for hi-res mic quality.

The penrose use two lanes of 2.4Ghz BT 5.0 in the headsett.

Or just ad a modmic to your preferrd headsett.

Lol. Ment to put this in reply. Sry. Big glass of whiskey😎

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BGBobRob t1_j659epf wrote

Np bro. Johnnie Walker is a smart dude. There are others that are cheeper, Antlion is just the standard.

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BGBobRob t1_j65pr87 wrote

Well I wouldn't say that, but thx. Please give an update if it works out.

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BGBobRob t1_j68aclt wrote

Yeah. I guess tha's why the modmic is the standard. In theory you can take the module from a donor set, an jerry-rig it. But that depends if your electronics skills are higher then mine.😊 And how you want it to look ofc.

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