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ActualAccount009 t1_izfcodg wrote

Reply to comment by TooSmalley in EU sets December 28th, 2024, deadline for all new phones to use USB-C for wired charging by speckz

I don’t remember exactly but I think the EU is saying they can’t do that or something along those lines

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Kronoxdund t1_izfdwpy wrote

Nope, they could remove the port and keep the wireless charger there's nothing wrong with that (When it comes to the law)

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BlaxicanX t1_izfwajq wrote

True, but the law *does* forbid a phone from requiring a proprietary wireless charger. Even if Apple goes to wireless charging only, it would have to be done in a way so that people can go to target and buy a generic brand wireless charger.

There is no escape for Apple in this scenario. One way or another, their days of forcing customers to use their accessories is over. The EU has done a great job here.

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djamp42 t1_izg0zhv wrote

IMO I would HATE a phone that is only wireless charging. AFAIK no wireless charging can match charging time of a good wired charger.

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TooSmalley t1_izga4dc wrote

Listen I think the same thing can be said about Wired headphones. I think they are better in almost every aspect over Bluetooth, But look where we are now.

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danielzur2 t1_izgihj6 wrote

As a music producer, I have a pair of leisure headphones that connect via BT. They’re convenient for gaming, chatting on Discord, playing videos on your phone… but mixing? Nah. That’s wired all the way. None of the interference, latency, or frequency loss. They are also heavier and have 10 times the impedance, and sound crisp as summer rain.

imo both are better for their intended purpose than their counterpart. BT is synonymous with confort, not quality.

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It_was_mee_all_along t1_izh1wxd wrote

For sure, when it comes to advanced users. But the quality for normies like me goes as high as something like AirPods

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thecanadiansniper1-2 t1_izilzce wrote

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO. Apple got rid of the port only in terms of profit and loss, by going BT only they killed an open standard that the rest of the industry was using happily and started to shove over priced wireless earbuds down everbodies throat. By creating the problem and selling bt earbuds apple profited from removing the 3.5mm jack Crapple has increased E-Waste with single use and not easily swappable batteries in airpods etc. There is no reason to kill the 3.5 mm jack but the rest of the industry got gready when apple saw how they fleeced their customers (not apple products users are customers not users as how apple locks down features after repair, you don't own you phone when apple says cool you dont get Super retina xdr after getting you phone screen fixed)

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22Sharpe t1_izh0ost wrote

To be honest I thought wireless only would bug me with my Apple Watch and it doesn’t at all. 95% of my charging is done overnight anyway so what do I care if it’s a bit slower?

The part I would dislike is data transfer being hell and being forced to use wireless headphones. Charging wouldn’t be a big deal though.

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LongStrangeTrips t1_izii1ic wrote

What if you’re charging your phone on the go though? Wireless charging isn’t bad if you charge your phone while you sleep, but what if you’re walking around and using a battery pack, what if you’re charging but still picking your phone up and putting it down? I personally have made all my peripherals wireless, but I still prefer to charge my phone via cable just because it’s easier to move the phone than with a puck stuck to the back of it.

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22Sharpe t1_iziihwg wrote

Maybe it’s just me, I can’t say I’ve ever had an instance where I wanted to walk around with my phone tethered to a battery pack.

It’s a reasonable concern though. I’m not even saying wireless would be a better option just that Apple doesn’t tend to like governments telling them what they can and can’t use so it seems like them to just ditch the wire all together. Personally as someone with a bunch of Lightning accessories and no USB-C ones I’m not really happy with either outcome.

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Pikespeakbear t1_izjnymx wrote

IDK how you avoid that. I need to go and realize my phone is at 30% or less so I toss a battery pack in my pocket and plug it into the phone. I'm out the door with no issues.

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towelracks t1_izinjj3 wrote

I don't think I could deal with a wireless charge only phone when I'm travelling. I can't imagine how annoying it would be on a long haul flight for instance.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_izhv4pv wrote

When you need the phone charged right now, the lack of a cable sucks. Overnight its nonissue. What I dislike about wireless charging though is that it heats the phone up more than slow charging from cable. Just from inductive losses. Especially bad if it keeps charging even though full and the temp stays up entire night. That's not good for life expectancy of electronics in general and battery in particular.

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ifmacdo t1_izj94po wrote

Not to mention the fact that induction charging is terribly energy inefficient.

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throwthegarbageaway t1_izg8kmu wrote

>it would have to be done in a way so that people can go to target and buy a generic brand wireless charger

They already are compatible with any Qi charger since 2017ish?, magsafe just has the magnets to keep it attached

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daveh30 t1_izhlmy0 wrote

Apple phones do support generic wireless chargers in addition to Apple’s MagSafe charger. They wouldn’t need to change anything.

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Jamie00003 t1_izg1qa3 wrote

What about the Apple Watch puck though? I’ve wanted it to support MagSafe for a long time now, still uses proprietary rubbish

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IOnlyLieWhenITalk t1_izj6zbh wrote

And yet people already do because almost no other wireless charger functions like MagSafe. People will absolutely be practically forced to buy apple chargers, in fact arguably even more so.

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rotrap t1_izjr3is wrote

A great job? A government should be micromanaging the ports on our electronics to mandate one orginazations standard that requires royalties? I see an obvious example of too much government. What is the great job?

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myth2988 t1_izfe7av wrote

I mean There is always the option not to buy a new iPhone, but you know people and priorities

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King_madness1 t1_izgey9k wrote

Imagine blaming the consumer. The solution here is regulating the giant corporation.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_izhvi47 wrote

That's what the consumer does with their choices. Buy a overpriced gadget locked in a walled garden - you get gadgets that are even more overpriced and locked down even harder. Apple is shit, never bought anything from them, I don't think I ever will unless their entire business strategy does a 180.

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King_madness1 t1_izhyqq5 wrote

That’s a valid reason to not buy Apple. Blaming the consumer feels like excusing Apple though.

We need to stop thinking “Apple fans vs Android fans” because it’s really more like “big companies vs all of us” :)

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daveh30 t1_izhob79 wrote

The solution should have been to spell out the problem and give industry a deadline to solve it. “No more proprietary ports… go.” Government trying to dole out the solution is awful. Someday soon there is going to be a superior successor to USB C that no one will be able to use while they fight with the EU to go back and change shortsighted legislation that specified a standard that’s already about 7 years old…

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King_madness1 t1_izhp4fn wrote

This regulation is doing exactly that: spelling out the problem and giving the industry a deadline to solve it. That’s what this post is about.

Not sure why people think the government is incapable of simply allowing companies to follow the latest USB consortium standard in 5-10 years.

The pushback here feels oddly corporate.

Edit: USB is literally the open standard that companies agree upon. Check out the list of companies who decide USB design.

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daveh30 t1_izhqo64 wrote

They absolutely did not state the problem and give it to industry to solve. They legislated a solution. 2 very different things.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_izhvqoh wrote

Wrong, EU for years told manufacturers to standardise chargers. The rest did, apple did not. So eventually EU wrote into law what the rest of the industry standardised to and apple specifically can go suck it.

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King_madness1 t1_izhsxpz wrote

USB is literally the companies deciding “here’s the best port that everyone can and should use”, and they’ve been constantly updating it (see USB 4).

The companies chose USB-C, they made it, but since Apple ignored it for profits, the govt decided to enforce it.

Are you rooting for Apple? I’m honestly quite confused about your angle here.

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AberrantRambler t1_izja5fx wrote

That’s like saying our current government is the best government as everyone voted on it so we all agree it’s the best. It really glosses over a lot of things.

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King_madness1 t1_izjccjy wrote

I did not say that.

USB was created for this purpose: standardization.

It all comes down to whether you want a universal port, or if you’re too busy drinking Apple’s anti-consumer koolaid ;)

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AberrantRambler t1_izjcql7 wrote

I know you didn’t say that - do you know what an analogy is?

A port designed by committed isn’t going to be the best port for all things - it’s just a standard.

You definitely said it was the best - and it’s most definitely not unless you’re explicitly defining exactly what it’s best for (as there’s plenty of ports/cables that are better for different purposes, or else every single cable you’d use in your life would be the same - ever use a power cord for a desktop PC? Or an Ethernet cable?)

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King_madness1 t1_izjd3e3 wrote

Okay, which port would you like them to use instead?

Do you think companies want to use the port they’ve already invested years of R&D into, or be told to scratch it all and make a new one just for shits and giggles?

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AberrantRambler t1_izjddll wrote

Whichever port they (the engineers familiar with the project) decide is the best port for the application.

If I feel they were able to competently design the rest of the product I see no reason to assume they cannot competently choose an appropriate port for the product.

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King_madness1 t1_izjdluh wrote

Okay so we’re on the same page really. What I’m trying to say is that this design phase is already happening with Type-C and USB 4. This is what the engineers agree on.

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AberrantRambler t1_izje6eo wrote

Mostly - my point of contention with your post was the use of “best” (which I feel is a really tricky word to actually use correctly without being very specific about for which purposes).

I also really have a hard time with people praising usb c/usb 4/thunderbolt as they made an absolute cluster fuck with them all being the same port and I don’t particularly find it to be anybody at the USB consortiums “best” work. And in terms of consumer confusion I’d call it some of their worst.

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King_madness1 t1_izjenlh wrote

We’re in total agreement about the clusterfuck of naming schemes and feature support.

That said, there is no better port. USB 4 has the best display output, power delivery and data transfer rate capabilities.

This hypothetical “new best port” would literally just be USB 5, which hopefully is less confusing than USB 4 and will probably still use the Type-C cable.

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AberrantRambler t1_izjfrwb wrote

I’m not as confident it would just be USB 5.

I could see Apple having made a better port in same way they made better SoCs. It’s not out of the realm of possibility they’ve been iterating on lightning Ike they were SoCs and just not releasing them (it’s incredibly unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility).

Imagine it’s literally what would take until USB 6 or 7 in terms of features for the sake of argument.

In theory if apple must use the standard they’d be prevented from using this obviously better cable.

That’s a bad situation.

Similarly saying to all companies you must make all your innovations out in the open so that way governments don’t accidentally make your better product illegal to implement.

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King_madness1 t1_izjtnak wrote

That’s where our viewpoints differ then: I’d rather have all the companies working together than creating their own proprietary stuff.

The “bad situation” in my opinion is when there are fractured proprietary solutions, it’s anti-consumer by design.

Unless you mean Apple (or any single company) creating an open standard all by themselves and sharing it for free, but then they have no reason to do it (no profit). More likely, they would share the burden of cost with other companies, which is essentially what USB is.

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AberrantRambler t1_izju3pi wrote

I feel if we’re going to start abandoning some of the tenants of capitalism in favor of a socialistic approach it would behoove us to do it in a more thorough manner than just cell phone port charging regulation :/

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King_madness1 t1_izjv1k9 wrote

It’s not socialism, technically. Consumers/governments don’t own USB and can’t contribute to it either, it’s just corporations.

You’re right, there are more important things than this (see right to repair) but I believe universal ports are a good pro-consumer step forward, whether it’s USB or if we start from scratch and call it something else :)

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throwawaygoodcoffee t1_izir2f3 wrote

You do know that the EU is only enforcing standardisation right? The type of connector these companies can use is determined by the companies themselves. The next time USB needs to update the physical connector they all come together on the same design rather than making multiple products to fix the same problem.

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no_nao t1_izg2p6c wrote

This is a terrible take, like many other consumer blaming ones. Apple has a monopoly on its ecosystem, and oftentimes it’s not up to the individual consumer. That’s why we need a regulated market. Regulation is to blame here, or lack thereof.

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TehOwn t1_izg3cp6 wrote

>Apple has a monopoly on its ecosystem, and oftentimes it’s not up to the individual consumer.

It's always up to the user to quit the ecosystem. It's how much you're willing to leave behind that is the problem.

But I agree, regulation is necessary because capitalism naturally favors exploitation and amorality.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_izhw7y9 wrote

They like to pretend they are a monopoly, but they aren't. Desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, earphones, smartwatch, none of them have to be an iAnything. Products on rest of the market are more bang for buck and better products overall. Its the consumer fucking themselves over when they buy apple.

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throwthegarbageaway t1_izg8foa wrote

No, the person youre replying to meant a proprietary magnetic port, a-la magsafe, or MS surface dock connector

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medfreak t1_izh0v8g wrote

There is more to a port than wireless charging...

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_mgjk_ t1_izjb0a1 wrote

They don't need to remove the port. They just have to disable charging from it. It can be done in software for European phones.

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