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MorgrainX OP t1_iv0a1d5 wrote

Reply to comment by Patapotat in Nvidia GeForce RTX 4080 prices for the European market leaked by MorgrainX

PC gaming will slowly become an absolute niche, most gamers will flock to smartphone or consoles (SONY and Microsoft will continue to keep the hardware prices low in order to get market shares).

That's a sad truth, and I don't see AMD or NVIDIA do a thing to stop that from happening. Both have massively increased prices (Ryzen is no longer a good budget price/performance ratio product, instead it's an ultra-expensive luxury brand).

When they increased the prices massively from Ryzen 1000 to 5000, it became quite clear how the future would look like. There are no more cheap new 150-200 buck CPUs.

You don't have to play underdog anymore, when you have sizeable market shares.

At the end of day, AMD, NVIDIA and Intel will demand whatever prices they can get away with.

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Dull_Half_6107 t1_iv0bjd8 wrote

If PC gaming becomes a niche for customers, it will become a niche for publishers too.

Why would a publisher spend time and money on a PC version/port if barely anyone is going to buy it vs console?

The PC gaming industry needs affordable cards to survive.

Seems like the crypto requirement for massive GPU power is becoming less and less popular (especially with insane energy prices), so at some point Nvidia will need to adjust their prices so enough people can actually afford them.

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GermanRedditorAmA t1_iv0jaah wrote

I mean current cards are miles ahead of current gen consoles. I recently upgraded, but my last 1070 rig from 6 years ago was still running almost everything perfectly fine, except those "graphic card sellers" type of products. If you consider that most games worth playing are indie titles that could run on decade old hardware anyway, I don't see a big problem. I also think that necessity to upgrade will decrease even further in the future.

It's a trend, PC gaming will become more niche, but at least for the generation that grew up with them, I think it'll be there forever.

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mandelmanden t1_iv0vnma wrote

Even so, the "AAA" titles will run absolutely fine on a far more budget system. There's a reason why GPU reviews hardly include 1080p results - it's not very relevant seeing 400-600 FPS in a graph.Most people have a 1080p or at most a 1440p panel, those will be driven just fine at 60+ FPS on 2-300$ cards at medium-high settings and will continue to do so for years to come.

As for most games I have on my "want to play" list, they're something that hardly make my 5700 XT break a sweat. One of those games I've been playing is literally built on the Quake engine, yes not even the Q3 engine, the first one.

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jl_theprofessor t1_iv0vxl8 wrote

Yeah just did a quick look. My 3090TI is way more powerful than the PS5 and looks like it's going to be sufficient for a long time to come.

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Catch_022 t1_iv1k8dt wrote

IIRC the PS5 is something like a 2070 super in terms of performance so yeah

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User9705 t1_iv344zt wrote

And keep the power company happy.🤣

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Auirom t1_iv0k8ms wrote

Bought a 970 and used it for 8 years. No issues with any game I played cause the majority of them were as you said, indie games. Crosscode, Hero Siege, Neon Chrome, and Moon Hunters to name a few. Big company games are fun but they lack the replayability and challenge I enjoy from the indie games

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blahbleh112233 t1_iv0oygf wrote

Agree. Doesn't help too that almost all games are cross platform and the ones that aren't seem to be more CPU heavy anyways. Anything cross platform will be playable by decades old cards.

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leoboro t1_iv0djkh wrote

Laptops are an alternative

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BusinessBear53 t1_iv0f02x wrote

Their GPUs are several generations behind despite their naming.

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secretcaboolturelab t1_iv0bjg2 wrote

A decade is about what I need to get through my Steam backlog.

Then I've got the GOG backlog to look forward to!

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w0mbatina t1_iv0bks3 wrote

I dont think thats quite true. Back in the day the top tier hardware was cheaper, but it also became obsolete much faster. 2-3 years and you were barely trudging along. Nowdays you can have a 10 year old pc that can still run pretty much anything with decent fps if you dont max all the settings out.

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mixedd t1_iv0ihtx wrote

>Nowdays you can have a 10 year old pc that can still run pretty much anything with decent fps if you dont max all the settings out.

Say that to my gtx 1070 from build i did in 2017, while technically it can run anything by reaching 60fps, theres no joy doing that on low settings

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PM_ME_GERMAN_SHEPARD t1_iv0un1s wrote

What games do you play? I have a 980 and I can play pretty much every game I have in 1080p 100+ fps.

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mixedd t1_iv0vfjb wrote

I'm on a 1440p screen, mostly either open worlds like RDR2, or simulators like MSFS, Elite, Star Citizen

1080p on 1070 is perfect still, it just looks like shit on 1440p screen

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mandelmanden t1_iv0wbr5 wrote

I'm pretty sure you don't need to run much on low settings with that card. Unless you want to play at 4k or something.

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mixedd t1_iv0wxfh wrote

1440p is kind off heavy on it in example of RDR2, on custom settings that replicate setting of xbox/playstation for that game its reaching only 50-55fps, while playable and it's fine, that graphical fidelity once put on higher setting adds to immersion.

MSFS and Star Citizen is way different story tough.

But in general yes, card holds pretty well for its age

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mandelmanden t1_iv11ybn wrote

Taking the most notoriously difficult to run titles as a benchmark is also pretty unflattering :p

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mixedd t1_iv12auj wrote

Well, but those are titles I'm playing, so that's why I'm saying that 1070 isn't suited for me personally anymore.

For someone who plays esports all the time on 1080p it would be perfect budget card.

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mandelmanden t1_iv0w7z4 wrote

Top tier hardware was always quite expensive, not quite as expensive as the last 3 generations, but quite expensive - the late 90s to mid 2010s was actually a bit of an outlier in that regard.

And as you say, the modern hardware lasts for years and years. Back in the day your system was outdated in 6-12 months and 2-3 years down the line you would be lucky if you could even launch a new game.

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carbine23 t1_iv0eaf4 wrote

That’s not true lmfao, there are older parts available to game on 1080p/1440p, the new cards are tailored for 4K gaming which is the niche market, you can build a pc for less than $800 and have 1080p gaming

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asyrin25 t1_iv0pox2 wrote

Flagship PC gaming IS a niche.

It should be a niche. "The very best graphics card money can buy" is never going to be mainstream and it never was.

Look at the steam hardware survey. Mainstream cards are xx60 and xx50.

These are enthusiast cards for people will8ng to pay out the nose to experience tech earlier.

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Jopojussi t1_iv1149p wrote

You know flagship gpu used to be like 400-500, just because it was and is niche its perfectly fine to charge 3x and keep going harder?

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asyrin25 t1_iv14jnc wrote

The last flagship card that was $500 was the GTX 480 in 2010. (non-inflation adjusted numbers)

RTX 3090 - $1500 (we won't count the 3090 ti because global shortage)

RTX 2080 ti - $1200

GTX 1080 ti - $700

GTX 980 ti - $650

GTX 780 ti - $699

GTX 690 - $999

GTX 590 - $700

GTX 480 - $500

And yes. The Market determines the value of the product. No one needs to push a few more pixels faster sooner.

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Jopojussi t1_iv171zp wrote

You can see the point when cryptominers started buying every single card, yet when theyre not buying them out anymore the price keeps still increasing, thats why im salty. And yes, as someone who pretty much plays only in vr, the frames are important.

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asyrin25 t1_iv18w1u wrote

I mean...you realize that as someone who plays only in high refresh PC VR you are a niche of a niche of a niche of a rich person's hobby...right?

A niche that didn't exist when flagship GPUs were $500

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Jopojussi t1_iv19gav wrote

Damn first time ive been called rich, im in the bottom 10% of my country wealthwise, thats why that price increase stings quite alot.

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asyrin25 t1_iv19mbl wrote

You're in the bottom 10% of your country but you have a multi thousand dollar VR gaming setup for fun?

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Jopojussi t1_iv1aeva wrote

Yes, also my pc cost about 1,4k so not really a multi thousand. I did save for quite a long time.

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asyrin25 t1_iv1drc9 wrote

The bottom 10% in the US is $8800/yr.

That's $4000 below the federal poverty level.

Don't you need the money for...food? Or education? Or housing?

Or....anything more important than video games when you're cripplingly poor?

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kryst4line t1_iv1regv wrote

I'm amazed of how suddenly you decided to change the topic.

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asyrin25 t1_iv1ski9 wrote

I was responding to his responses.

Here, I'll sum the discussion up:

"PC Gaming is going to become niche if flagship cards are so expensive!"

"Flagship cards are already niche and have always been."

"But flagship cards used to be $400-$500!"

"It's been 12 years since the last $500 flagship card"

"Does that make it okay?"

"Yes, because this isn't a NEEDED product. The market will determine its worth."

"I play exclusively PC VR I need this product!"

"PC VR is sub niche of a sub niche of a rich person's hobby. It's okay for the market to decide the value of that."

"JK, I'm not rich, I'm actually cripplingly poor."

"You're cripplingly poor with a multi thousand dollar gaming setup?"

"It's actually only $1,400"

"Why do you have a $1,400 PC if you're cripplingly poor?"

Alrighty. All caught up?

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mandelmanden t1_iv0vhgr wrote

Absolute bullshit. You don't need a flagship card to play games.

Most people have 1080p or 1440p panels. You can drive those with a 2-300$/€ GPU absolutely no issue.

You also don't need a 7950X or 13900K to play games. You also don't need 32gb DDR5.

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jeanborrero t1_iv0rc53 wrote

Maybe the increased competition from the new intel gpu launch will help. Or maybe they raise their prices as well to cash in on the trend

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iuthnj34 t1_iv29e6u wrote

Instead of focusing on new releases only, why not purchase 1-2 year old components?

AMD Ryzen 5 5800X - $200
Intel Core i7-11700 - $195

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JustABitOfCraic t1_iv0oqjm wrote

Don't forget about cloud gaming. It'll come good within the next decade.

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Ethario t1_iv0qk55 wrote

Cloud gaming will never be good, you can't travel faster than the speed of light so latency will always suck.

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JustABitOfCraic t1_iv0slwx wrote

Latency isn't bottlenecked by the speed of light. And if you're always looking for the lowest latency you'll be stuck playing LAN parties. It's improving every year with Internet speeds exploding. It's far from perfect now but it'll get there.

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Ruma-park t1_iv0ud3i wrote

Of course latency is bottlenecked by the speed of light. It's the limit of how fast we can transmit information.

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JustABitOfCraic t1_iv12rkk wrote

No it isn't. The switches and equipment slow it down. We're no where near sending and receiving data at the speed of light.

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Ruma-park t1_iv19koo wrote

Whether we reach the limit or not, does not make it untrue.

Light speed is the ultimate bottleneck, we will never get faster than it.

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JustABitOfCraic t1_iv1c628 wrote

Not really. Our equipment will never be as fast as the speed of light. So the equipment will always be the bottleneck.

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ltdanimal t1_iv1akfi wrote

This is like the "Nobody ever goes there, its too crowded!" line. If those companies are selling them at that price, then obviously people are buying them.

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pasta4u t1_iv1htql wrote

Why?

To get ps5/xbox series x performance costs keep going down and its easier and easier to build computers that offer far greater performance.

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garbo2330 t1_iv1p81d wrote

Huh? You can buy a 5600 for $140 right now and it’s capable of playing any game out there. Don’t be so dramatic.

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