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RedDordit t1_itmkeu5 wrote

Reply to comment by onioning in [i ate] Pizza Margherita and pizza nudja by succulentchr69

You think northern Italians know anything about fake Italian food y’all do in America? I don’t mean to shit on you, every country makes up their own version of foreign food, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

But to think that a certain dish had to pass through the US to get from Calabria to northern Italy is simply stupid. Don’t you think maybe, just maybe, geographically and culturally we’re closer to each other than we are to the US?

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onioning t1_itmldx5 wrote

No. I'm not saying anything like that. But American culinary trends do most definitely impact Italian culinary trends. There are too many American tourists for a nation with so much tourism to just not care. So of course they follow trends. You know, like everyone who caters to tourists. Do you think Italian chefs don't pay attention to the American culinary scene?

So really, you don't find this plausible? From whenever Nduja was invented until the early 2010s it was almost unseen outside Calabria. Then it got really trendy in the US. Now it's seen throughout Italy. You don't think those things could plausibly be connected? Has to be just a coincidence? Come on. I'm not saying it's definite, but its very likely. Certainly plausible.

Incidentally, while still not exactly widespread, American style pepperoni did a similar thing. Started as a southern Italian salami, got changed in the US, and now there are producers of their take on it all over Italy. The US is fucking historically rich. Of course that has an impact.

Also the American version is not fake. It's fucking delicious too.

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East-Seawness56 t1_itncqgt wrote

Dude I'm italian I can assure you 100% italians aren't doing anything based on what Americans think or what's trendy in America, they don't care at all. They'll serve you what they make and if Americans don't like it theyll tell you to leave or fcuck off. And where are you finding American style pepperoni on pizza or something similar, in the south atleast I've never seen such a thing it doesn't exist

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onioning t1_itndl5u wrote

Ok man. And all the Italians I've worked with are just making it all up. Lived there for about a year and a half on the by and by. Working with chefs and salumiere (mostly the latter, but they do love to mingle). Universally decried the American influence. And would talk about nothing else. Seriously got old.

If you don't think you can more readily find bacon or pepperoni in a larger city because of the American influence you're fooling yourself. There are McDonald's! All sorts of US fast food. But you think there's no influence? Come on. That's just ridiculous.

And again, fancy places are doing it for their tourist customers. Of course they pay attention to what their tourist customers do. Arguing otherwise is silly. That's how the world works.

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East-Seawness56 t1_ito6jq9 wrote

I'm not going back and forth on this, I don't really care if you supposedly lived there for a year even if it's hypothetically true it doesn't make you italian or knowing the culture and how they only talked about American influence i know for a fact thats a lie most europeans look down on American cuisine and the only thing they like or can be impressed with is the big gluttinous portions. You sound like one of those annoying americans who goes abroad on vacation for a week and thinks theyre a conniseur on that country. Also a lot of larger cities in italy dont like tourism and dont want them there, which i dont get because the money it brings in, so they're not going to cater to their stupidity. The closest thing you'll find to bacon is pancetta and salamis, "pepperoni" in itsly is literally aliced peppers the vegetable on pizza.

McDonald's is everywhere so that point is proving nothing, I have a McDonald's post on my account from Italy when I was there in the summer for my cousins wedding

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onioning t1_itoe8j3 wrote

>McDonald's is everywhere so that point is proving nothing, I have a McDonald's post on my account from Italy when I was there in the summer for my cousins wedding

That's the whole point. They are everywhere, because American influence is everywhere. You seriously going to argue that McDonald's isn't American influence? That's ridiculous. You just aren't being serious about this. Just making up reasons to be outraged.

Seriously find one established Italian chef who doesn't think there's such thing as American influence in modern Italian. Or just recognize the realities all around you. But no, I'm sure it's actually that shitty burgers and fries just happened to develop independently in Italy. Totally not American influence. Come one. What a crazy lie to tell yourself.

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East-Seawness56 t1_itof0jt wrote

You're the one whose outraged I don't know why you're getting all bent out of shape and butt hurt arguing with everyone over American influence, go to bed dude seriously. Go find something else go be passionate about and stand on a hill for. You're literally the definition of an annoying american abroad

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onioning t1_itoii4q wrote

Outraged? What are you talking about? How am I outraged? I think it's dumb that people downvote very legitimate statements, but whatever. Not really my business. The outraged are the people who are all "No. This one place on Earth is somehow free from American business interests."

Quit it with that troll garbage. You can argue without being a jerk. Just don't. You know jack squat about me except that I recognize the impact American cultural imperialism has. Don't go into that insult garbage. Disagree however much you want. Upvote and downvote as you like. Don't be a jerk. I haven't been rude to anyone. Just uncalled for.

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East-Seawness56 t1_ito7gj6 wrote

Also how where you in italy over a year more than 3 months you need a visa and its only up to a year, they're not gonna give you a work visa for a tourist to go work in a salumeria to find the job randomly once they're already there

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onioning t1_itoebkg wrote

I was not a tourist. It was my career. I had work agreements with my hosts.

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East-Seawness56 t1_itoepbv wrote

Thats not answering the question, italy doesn't give visas once you're already there you need to get them in your native country at the consulate, what are you saying you went to italy, got a job in a salumeria and they went all out and through hoops to get you a visa? That is very unlikely

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onioning t1_itohy0f wrote

No. I had a job in the US. The people I worked for in the US had a partnership with Italian producers. I worked with those producers. It's not hard to get the visas when you have legitimate reasons.

Maybe instead of trying to make things up to make me wrong you'll consider what I'm actually saying and not these other things.

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sneer0101 t1_itqaujr wrote

>But American culinary trends do most definitely impact Italian culinary trends

No they don't. At all.

You really do think the world revolves around you and its pure delusion.

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onioning t1_itqtrpy wrote

Where did McDonald's come from? Are burgers and fries an inherently Italian food?

Come on. This is insane.

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