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Danjazz t1_iycip3w wrote

My cousin bought a kidney from a man sentenced to life in prison. The surgery was done in a hospital but the convict was intoduced as family. This happened in the Philippines.

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K1ng_N0thing t1_iyd0mnh wrote

Can you offer more background on this?

How did the situation come to pass?

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Danjazz t1_iyf1crx wrote

Surgery went well it's been 10yrs or more but my cousin still eat things he isnt supposed to so creatitine even know is still flactuating. I think the doctors and hospital staff knew that they weren't family. The prison warden also knew. Everything can be bought here.

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ShodanW t1_iycv5rj wrote

There is also government backed sale of organs from places like China, who has been known to forcefully sell the organs of state prisoners. when you have that kind of backing, you can make it look legit.

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prolixia t1_iyd0gl7 wrote

China has a policy of "forced organ harvesting" where the organs of executed prisoners are made available. There's speculation that many executions are the direct result of a demand for organs, and I'm using the term "speculation" very generously.

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PhantomTroupe-2 t1_iydfpu6 wrote

China ended the policy of harvesting organs from death row inmates years ago (over concerns people were being executed just for their organs obviously) and Falun Gong lies about pretty much everything, those people are fucking cultists lol

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mental-floss t1_iye49i7 wrote

There’s a Falun Gong billboard near where I live. I have no idea what it even means, do you have anything to support your claims they’re cultists?

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godsFavgirl t1_iycpr5c wrote

In third world countries, It's totally common that a person who has no money publish in the news that he/she has a kidney for sale. It's totally legal.They get the money and then go to the hospital and say they are volunteer to give the kidney to the person they got money from.

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Green_Average t1_iycrst3 wrote

It's not happening in "third world countries" - it happens only in Iran.

And it's not like you said - they go in as volunteers after receiving the payment.

They have a centralized matching system, which sets a fixed price of $4.6k per kidney.

Read a little more.

Edit - For all the downvoters. This message is specifically about the comment at the top of the thread that says "it's common to find advertisements in third world countries for kidneys" and not about the illegal kidney trade, which unfortunately is extremely rampant.

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MankerDemes t1_iyct7jq wrote

"people selling their kidneys only happens in Iran"

is an interestingly wrong normative claim I wasn't prepared to encounter today.

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Green_Average t1_iyctksr wrote

Nope. The claim was never that.

Illegal organ trade happens across the world, even in developed countries. Never contested that.

The OP for this thread stated that people in "third world countries" blatantly post public ads offering their kidneys. That was my point of contention. Since kidney trade (with a monetary benefit) is legal in only Iran and the ad thing is quite common there.

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SuchhAaWasteeOfTimee t1_iycx1yy wrote

But you said it only happens in Iran

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Tofts4545 t1_iycza0i wrote

Because this is who they replied to:

> In third world countries, It's totally common that a person who has no money publish in the news that he/she has a kidney for sale. It's totally legal.

And since it is not "totally legal" anywhere else, but Iran... This is the part that "only happens in Iran".

This isn't to say black market organ donations don't happen elsewhere. Legal advertising and selling of it doesn't.

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themeatbridge t1_iyd0878 wrote

I see what you're saying, but you could have been clearer about what specifically happens only in Iran.

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Tofts4545 t1_iyd5wip wrote

It was clear. Reading the thread allows you to formulate the context of what is being discussed.

>but you could have been clearer

Second, I was not the one discussing anything. I am a bystander who understood what was being discussed. I chimed in to help others understand.

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themeatbridge t1_iye5vl3 wrote

My mistake, thinking you were the original commenter.

>It's not happening in "third world countries" - it happens only in Iran.

That's an ambiguous statement. Kidneys are sold in third world countries. "It" does happen but "it" isn't legal anywhere except Iran.

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KittyKittyXOX t1_iye7q9k wrote

As previously stated, “it” is the legal advertisement of organs for sale

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themeatbridge t1_iyeemn6 wrote

Then "it" happens in many countries, it just isn't legal. Saying "it" doesn't happen just because "it" isn't legal is not accurate.

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Tofts4545 t1_iye9vex wrote

>That's an ambiguous statement. Kidneys are sold in third world countries. "It" does happen but "it" isn't legal anywhere except Iran.

Original comment that kicked us off:

>> In third world countries, It's totally common that a person who has no money publish in the news that he/she has a kidney for sale. It's totally legal.They get the money and then go to the hospital and say they are volunteer to give the kidney to the person they got money from.

The "it" is the legal public soliciting of your organs. OP was corrected by saying "it" does not happen in other 3rd world countries because "it" is not legal anywhere but Iran.

I can see where this can get lost in the weeds though.

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themeatbridge t1_iyeezka wrote

Yes, and if the comment had said "It's not legal anywhere except Iran," then there would be no confusion or disagreement, because that is an accurate correction.

But people do advertise kidneys for sale even in countries where it is not legal. It does happen in many countries. Saying it doesn't happen is different from saying it isn't legal.

Which is why I said they could have been more clear. I was wrong about who said it, because I didn't realize I was replying to someone else. Otherwise, I stand by what I said.

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Green_Average t1_iycxatn wrote

Yes, since it's legal there - the newspaper ads and the public advertisement bit only happens in Iran.

You won't find classifieds for kidneys in any other third world country.

While in Iran, you'll find handwritten posters on trees and outside their "kidney centers" with the contact details, blood type and age mentioned.

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godsFavgirl t1_iydbz8y wrote

I'm not sure about the location but about "centralized matching system", there is no such thing. They usually write the blood type when they publish the advertisement.

And about "the price", because these people are most uneducated and poor, they just ask for the least amount of money and there is no justice in pricing.

And baby, I didn't read about it, I lived it;)

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Green_Average t1_iydcxuv wrote

Of course you've lived it. I totally believe that.

You went to Iran, saw an ad and got yourself a kidney.

And if you're claiming to have seen an ad in some other country - I still totally believe you. Of course. Both your kidneys must be from there, no?

As for regulation, two charities work with the Iranian Ministry of Health to regulate this. Since it's legal, it can easily be regulated.

Read up, before you BS on the Internet, Baby!

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godsFavgirl t1_iyde6me wrote

Shame that I can't comment on a picture cause I would definitely comment on the photo that is an advertisement for kidney selling that I took it in my country!

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PhantomTroupe-2 t1_iydg6xp wrote

Wait so you bought a poster kidney? Was it…a good kidney? 🗿🗿🗿

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Chiknlitesnchrome t1_iycwltm wrote

In India, the fence will find you a donor math, there is no rules against friendly donation, so you both go to the hospital and the Indian resident signs that he is gifting you the organ(typically kidney) the doctor performs the surgery, without any risk to licence because the deal is done between the patient and the donor through the fence. The patient pays the fence( 3-5k American) and the en the fence pays the donor. Usually the donor is promised 3-5k which is life changing to their families, but after donating the kidney, the fence usually keeps most of not all the money and leaves donor with either nothing or something like 300$ and without an organ. Very lucrative market. Source-documentary on Netflix

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SourceDammit t1_iycytzw wrote

>Source-documentary on Netflix

Post the name of the documentary...................

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Chiknlitesnchrome t1_iycznl2 wrote

The traffickers, was the doc, there were multiple episodes and one was about the kidney trade. Not sure if it is still on netflix( I am in Canada) but it was on Netflix and you can find the episodes online

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SourceDammit t1_iyd043s wrote

>Not sure if it is still on netflix

Thats what torrents are for. Thanks

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Chiknlitesnchrome t1_iyczqj3 wrote

It is way faster and cheaper if you need a kidney to just find a match online and travel to get the kidney than to wait on a donor list.

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214b t1_iyd0z3m wrote

This. Everything else posted here is nonsense. An organ donation, by its nature, has to be done between two willing participants (although one or both may have been deceived about the long-term effects of the donation or the payment).

You cannot just knock someone out, steal their organs, then put the organs in a cooler and walk around to hospitals trying to sell them. Things don't work that way (except in movies).

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Mammoth-Mud-9609 t1_iycg4xj wrote

It depends, but in general the patient or the relatives pay for a no questions asked transplant, the money is then provided and the "doctors" then acquire the organs.

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Y34rZer0 t1_iycuyl1 wrote

Iirc China executes condemned prisoners on certain dates during the year, and they sell their organs on the world market.
I heard this some years ago, so I don’t know how true it is however if they bill your family for the cost of the bullet they shoot you with (which is true) I can’t see them passing up the revenue

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ikentt t1_iycyz9h wrote

Yeah I heard about it a lot too. But what made me doubt about this kind of dealing is the screening of the organ. Don’t they have to be compatible first to the receiver for it to be feasible? They can’t just randomly get organs from the state prisoner just because there’s someone who needs it.

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Y34rZer0 t1_iyd1bbx wrote

Yeah but I guess they approach it like a used car dealership. If The model out front isn’t suitable for you then we’ve probably got something else that is.
I also imagine that this kind of thing would go through Chinese doctors etc.
I mean it sounds awful but if it saves some kids life when the prisoner is going to be executed anyway?
Although that’s the type of argument the Nazi doctors at Auschwitz used so I’m Lost in a moral quagmire at the moment

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PhantomTroupe-2 t1_iydgclr wrote

It was true they stopped the practice a few years ago. I don’t know about waiting till certain times of the year tho?

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Y34rZer0 t1_iydgpnv wrote

I remember hearing that they execute prisoners on certain dates that are significant to the regime. I guess when you don’t have to worry about things like fair trials or legal due process then it’s easier to organise 😒

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China_sucks t1_iyd10pw wrote

US keep promoting Falongon, China harvest them. That is the full cycle of organ production. Without US promoting them, Falongon will die out. Without China harvesting the organ, there will be no place for Falongon.

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