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_Diakoptes t1_iy82htn wrote

I dont think so. Schools arent prisons, or shouldnt have to be. The more oppressive the school grounds are the less likely kids will actually embrace learning.

People are mad because in the Uvalde shooting the police arrived, locked down the scene, put up a perimeter and then stood around for 20 minutes while the shooting continued. The police were on scene and spent more time and resources stopping parents from entering the school grounds then engaging the shooter.

These are the people we give our tax dollars to with the understanding theyre there to protect the community. Now that we are beginning to understand that police only protect themselves, eachother, and the political elite that let them get away with their crime - theyre simply a gang. And they helped the Uvalde shooter kill more kids by blocking access to the school and stopping people from saving their kids.

Those cops are pieces of shit and shouldnt be allowed to serve in any capacity as a public servant.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy88hr9 wrote

> then stood around for 20 minutes while the shooting continued

This makes no sense. 19 kids died. There is no way it took over 20 minutes for the shooter to kill 19 kids at point-blank range with an AR-15. I'm not implying the cops didn't make mistakes but the majority of kids had to die before the first cop stepped foot in the school.

> Schools arent prisons, or shouldnt have to be.

I'm not talking bars on the windows. Simple stuff like a armed security guard and locked doors should have been enough to slow the shooter down long enough so the cops didn't have to deal with a shooter inside a classroom.

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_Diakoptes t1_iy8scvr wrote

I answered your question. The video is available for you to watch and come up with your own conclusions. You wanted it to be explained, i explained it. If youre looking for someone to defend the thin blue line against, im not your target audience

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Sing_larity t1_iy82p7v wrote

>Weren't most of, if not all, the kids dead within seconds of the shooter
entering the classroom?

No they were not. It is a known fact that that ISN'T true. You can hear children screaming and crying on the Videos where the cops are standing around doing fuck all. One kid was killed after a cop told him during a 911 call to yell something, after which the shooter found the kid and shot him.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy8d6yh wrote

Listen to the video:

https://youtu.be/B_W_SopPUGE?t=277

The shooter unloads on those kids the second he steps in. I'm not saying the cops didn't make mistakes but most of those kids were dead before any cops arrived. He is unloading almost non-stop.

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Sing_larity t1_iy8douh wrote

Who do you think was doing the screaming and crying in the video footage of the cops standing around if all the kids were already dead ? How come there were survivors of the shooting if all the kids were immediately dead ?

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy8e9te wrote

> Who do you think was doing the screaming and crying in the video footage of the cops standing around if all the kids were already dead

Where are you getting there were kids "screaming and crying" while the cops stood around? They were either dead or playing dead. All the kids who called 911 from inside the classroom survived.

I can't find any evidence any injured kid bled out or could have been saved by breaching early.

Again, I'm not saying the cops didn't make mistakes but they shouldn't be blamed for all the deaths.

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Sing_larity t1_iy8hjhi wrote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ioaBG3K_dk

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https://www.npr.org/2022/11/02/1133468064/uvalde-texas-shooting-911-calls

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https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1547750084959318017

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Children died on route to hospital. Children were shot AFTER the cops arrived. Children were still alive after the cops arrived. The cops inaction is completely indefensible.

Even if not a single kid had died as a result of the inaction, which they did, it would still be indefensible cowardice. Because the cops wouldn't have known that at the time. Even if no kids HAD died as a result, that doesn't change the fact that the cops pussying out put the lives of children at risk.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy8xq5d wrote

The sound of children screaming was removed from the video I posted when the shooter first entered the classroom.

Nothing in any of the sources you linked to mentioned anyone dying after the cops arrived.

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Sing_larity t1_iy97nuc wrote

Even if not a single kid had died as a result of the inaction, which
they did, it would still be indefensible cowardice. Because the cops
wouldn't have known that at the time. Even if no kids HAD died as a
result, that doesn't change the fact that the cops pussying out put the
lives of children at risk.

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And Cody's Video does in fact mention kids dying en route to hospital. Which was AFTER the cops arrived.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iya20da wrote

> Because the cops wouldn't have known that at the time.

By the same logic, wouldn't they also have not known no kids were dead? For all they knew the shooter was holding the kids hostage and would have killed them all if they breached.

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Sing_larity t1_iyaaoe7 wrote

There were 6 children who called 911 during this. There was sound of gunfire.

And there is also the fact that people who enter a school with automatic weapons (virtually) never do so with intent of taking hostages.

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So no. Categorically. On every single level wrong. Stop boot licking these incompetent coward cops.

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Bunsbunsbunsbunnyboi t1_iy84oyu wrote

They werent all dead and they were specifically told they werent because one of the victims still called after they were in the stand off and told them they were still alive and had injured kids.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy8cw1k wrote

Yes, I get all weren't dead but is it fair to blame the cops for all the deaths?

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Bunsbunsbunsbunnyboi t1_iy8de0a wrote

The ones who died while they were being pussies? While they waited what? 2.5 hrs with full tactical gear and guns? Absolutely they should be blamed for those deaths and they shouldnt have that job if they wont do it. Fire the whole damn department and the other ones who pussied out too.

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MarBoBabyBoy OP t1_iy8dwfo wrote

Listen to this video:

https://youtu.be/B_W_SopPUGE?t=277

The shooter enters the classroom and unloaded almost non-stop. There is no way it took him 2.5 hours to kill 19 kids. He shoots almost non-stop, probably stopped to reload, before any cops arrived.

This is what doesn't make sense to me, why the cops are being blamed for all the deaths.

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Bunsbunsbunsbunnyboi t1_iy8e6qj wrote

Hey buddy you can keep being a bootlicker but the fact of the matter is, there were kids laying on the ground dying and if the cops went in and did heir jobs they wouldnt be, Ok?

They found the fucker dead and in a back room because he wasnt in the same room as the kids for as long, he was in a closet space waiting for the cops and children died as they fucked off on their phones.

Yeah they should be blamed.

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Sing_larity t1_iy8dz4f wrote

It's entirely fair to blame the cops for every single kid who died after they arrived. Which is a non zero number. And frankly, at the point where the cops are directly responsible for a non zero number of children's deaths is when the actions of the cops become completely and utterly indefensible.

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