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cheezitsofcool t1_iyo73du wrote

TIL There were Union Army units not just in border states but also the Deep South!

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aggasalk t1_iyossx3 wrote

There was an Army of Tennessee (confederate), and an Army of the Tennessee (union)! (I had ggg grandfathers in both)

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ShadowSlayer1441 t1_iypmi6a wrote

I can only imagine the shenanigans that caused on occasion. I’m just imaging a union depo somehow getting a shipment of confederate uniforms from a private shipping company.

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CardboardSoyuz t1_iyqyzwf wrote

I had a g'g'grandfather in the 82nd Indiana which was in the Army of the Tennessee.

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barnegatsailor t1_iyofek4 wrote

There were also some units in the CSA army made up of men from Southern Illinois. Other than border states that's the only Northern state that had troops fight for the South.

Although it is arguable that Southern Illinois was essentially a border state region in itself.

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KezAzzamean t1_iypj4cd wrote

Being from southern Illinois myself… yea. It definitely thinks.. different. Than the rest of the state.

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windershinwishes t1_iyoh94v wrote

It's important context to remember when thinking about any war, or any political conflict for that matter; there's always disagreement within populations.

It's honestly kind of troubling how we've all started using the terms "blue state" and "red state". It's so easy to simplify millions of people into colors on a map.

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stumblewiggins t1_iyomtjk wrote

>It's honestly kind of troubling how we've all started using the terms "blue state" and "red state". It's so easy to simplify millions of people into colors on a map.

Mostly it's just a shorthand to identify who they will likely vote for. Time was more states were swing states or "purple" states, but now most of them are almost preordained given the gerrymandering and polarization.

I'm less troubled by the shorthand than by why it's become so reliable

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DirtysMan t1_iyopzf0 wrote

It’s about policy and government IMHO. Minnesota and Wisconsin were virtually the same but Minnesota went blue and Wisconsin went Red. Minnesota has much higher wages, union and workers rights, better education and healthcare, better economy, etc.. All of that comes down to Blue State vs Red State. It’s across the board.

There’s no other real difference between the states other than how they are governed.

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I don’t argue with propaganda online. Wallethub is not a credible source and one year is not a trend.

Here’s a credible right leaning source, notice all the blue states in the top ranking and red states on the bottom.

https://www3.forbes.com/business/states-with-the-best-public-school-systems-ifs-vue-wnb/?slide=44

Here’s another source:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

Minnesota top 7, most years top 3.

You can look at results for decades, Minnesota’s education system has been better for decades. Blue states education has been better. And the workers that come out of schools in blue states have been more productive and better educated workers as well.

For decades. Decades, not just one year.

And world population review is a credible source:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-population-review/

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brett1081 t1_iyr7ky6 wrote

So according to 2022 data Minnesota is 15 in system education. Wisconsin 10. I love that you get to just make crap up and post it though with so much assurance that your right.

https://districtadministration.com/wallethub-2022-rankings-best-worst-school-systems/

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scottdenis t1_iyrnpah wrote

What's wallethub?

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DirtysMan t1_iyss3lj wrote

Wallethub is not a credible source and one year is not a trend.

Forbes is a credible right leaning source, notice all the blue states in the top ranking and red states on the bottom.

https://www3.forbes.com/business/states-with-the-best-public-school-systems-ifs-vue-wnb/?slide=44

Minnesota top 7, most years top 3.

You can look at results for decades, Minnesota’s education system has been better for decades. Blue states education has been better. And the workers that come out of schools in blue states have been more productive and better educated workers as well.

For decades. Decades, not just one year.

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phryan t1_iypabl8 wrote

I'm curious as to if there is a monuments to any of the 20 Louisiana or 18 Arkansas Union companies in their respective States, since it is 'heritage'?

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Mopman43 t1_iypg7ic wrote

A fair number of those would have been black units.

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windigo3 t1_iypwrbb wrote

That was mostly ex slaves. Roughly 200,000 black men fought for the Union.

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Husker8 t1_iyqkn1m wrote

Almost all the “colored” regiments as they were referred to back then were mustered from Northern states such as Massachusetts. Most of the Union was not for allowing African Americans to fight. Lincoln and Grant personally supporting the effort and the start of their own views on African Americans evolving forward.

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LaLa762 t1_iyoofge wrote

Let's never forget that the Union Army was the US Army - the army of the United States.

The Confederate Army' was a group of traitors.

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Rogue100 t1_iz0xj0u wrote

A lot of people do seem to forget that!

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Dukatee t1_iyrknfp wrote

That’s very brave of you to say. 🫡

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PlumpPotatoChip t1_iyoasye wrote

Ohio said "Fuck around and find out"

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fleshwad t1_iypmeq8 wrote

Both Sherman and Grant were from Ohio. That whole state was real thirsty for traitor tears.

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LarryCraigSmeg t1_iypwle9 wrote

And yet in the 21st century they give us Gym Jordan. Thanks, Ohio!

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AverageCowboyCentaur t1_iyob02k wrote

We still have those ideals and values, we are just gerrymandered so bad that it looks like we're a mini Texas. Don't believe the votes or the numbers. Good people still live here!

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adzman t1_iyoih6q wrote

How did Pirate Vance win the Senate seat then? Ohio is fucked.

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AverageCowboyCentaur t1_iyoiy5g wrote

That was a crazy race. The polling locations cut their voting machines by half or more. I still don't understand why they did that. And it wasn't just in big cities It was everywhere even in the rural areas. I had friends out in Delta and down in Kalida both say their polling locations only had a couple machines when they used to have 8 to 10.

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PlumpPotatoChip t1_iyoessh wrote

Some of the best. Myself included. I quit paying attention to politics and the media and it's amazing how much nicer the world really is.

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stumblewiggins t1_iyomv9f wrote

Washington said "me too!"

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greatgerm t1_iyonj8l wrote

The Washington Territory had about 10,000 people total and they had to travel a very long distance over terrible terrain so I'm pretty impressed.

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tnoy23 t1_iyplm1w wrote

My first thought seeing Washington actually contributed soldiers was "Wait there were people there then?"

Absolutely wild and I had no idea anyone besides native Americans were present there at that point, much less enough to come back and actually contribute to the civil war.

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BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iyo1sn1 wrote

Source: All the state articles in wikipedia naming all the regiments fighting for each state, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Civil_War_units_by_state

Tool: Mapchart.net & Photoshop

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tuctrohs t1_iyo5t6s wrote

It would be interesting to see this on a per unit population basis.

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BLAZENIOSZ OP t1_iyo6tac wrote

NY had the most soldiers which make sense, but Ohio had the highest percentage of enlistment.

Also Tennessee was a southern state, quickly fell and provided a lot of support to the Union.

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RogerSaysHi t1_iyp9o53 wrote

Tennessee also had a county that seceded from the confederacy, it didn't technically rescind its secession until 1986.

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Drill1 t1_iypdlhs wrote

Fannin County Georgia succeeded from the confederacy too, not sure when they were readmitted back into the state. My 3rd GGF was a captain in the Union Army, lost an eye and an arm at Shiloh, he was from Blue Ridge, GA

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daveescaped t1_iyr2pht wrote

Why were there so many units from frontier states like Illinois and Missouri but so few from CT and other New England states? There had to be greater population in New England at that time.

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natterca t1_iypbeqe wrote

You should remove Alaska. It wasn't purchased until 1867.

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jeffh4 t1_iyohcrz wrote

How many for Maine? That number is missing.

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AspireAgain t1_iyoqe3g wrote

Given the existence of the "20th Maine", renowned for their part in defending Little Round Top at Gettysburg, at least 20.

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Slipper_Sleuth t1_iyoxzrf wrote

I’m sorry to jump on this post but your assessment may not be entirely true. War is deception. In World War Two we created the 10th mountain division. In fact we only had one; but didn’t want the axis powers to know how many others may be around.

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phryan t1_iypb3c5 wrote

While your statement is true, one of the great Allied intelligence accomplishments of WW2 was tracking the serial numbers on German equipment and estimating production output. Because the Germans didn't obfuscate serial numbers the statisticians working for the Allies were able to gauge German industrial output with incredible accuracy.

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AspireAgain t1_iyoymrv wrote

I appreciate the comment and it’s true what you say, but the map actually shows they had at least 40. As it turns out they didn’t get creative with the numbering system for their infantry regiments. As it turns out they had about 50 regimental sized units depending on how you count them. I think units like the 82nd Airborne and 101st names derive from their original associations (its been awhile so I'm not sure), but I do know in WWII in the Pacific the 3rd Fleet and 5th Fleet were comprised of the same ships, with the Fleet changing names depending upon whether Halsey or Spruance was in charge.

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Rogue100 t1_iz0w5px wrote

>As it turns out they had about 50 regimental sized units depending on how you count them.

I wonder how many of those were recomprised from the remnants of earlier regiments. A full sized regiment in the civil war was about a 1000 strong. 50k seems like a lot for a state like Maine to have provided to the war effort.

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MrRemoto t1_iypa1vg wrote

My dad's thesis was on the Maine 27th

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Rogue100 t1_iz0ujog wrote

The 20th Maine was a regiment though, where the heading here is units/companies. It's a bit unclear what's meant by 'unit' in the heading, which could mean a bunch of possible size groupings, but company refers to a smaller unit, of which a regiment would normally be composed of 10. So 20 regiments would mean about 200 companies.

Some more clarity on what unit sizes are actually being represented would probably make this graphic a lot easier to properly appreciate.

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FireWireBestWire t1_iyoqspf wrote

I find it fascinating that Indian territory sent 4 units, 50 years before Oklahoma became a state and 25 before it was opened up to white settlement

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chicagotim1 t1_iyouwid wrote

At first I noticed the obvious - Soldiers in the northern army were generally from the north; obvious.

Second glance - Look how important Lincoln's decision to allow northern border states to continue slavery in exchange for remaining in the Union was.

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windigo3 t1_iypx1lu wrote

That wasn’t incompetent. It was the only way to do it. Had Lincoln banned slavery in Kentucky, Missouri, Delaware, and Maryland on day 1, then all those regiments would have fought for the South. The confederates most likely would have won the war and slavery probably would have existed for many decades afterwards. Lincoln was a brilliant man.

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3Bi3 t1_iyp6xcz wrote

I am pretty sure Ohio had the most companies... that saw action anyway. Lotta Generals, and Presidents have called Ohio home.

The NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets are an homage to this I think.

New York had draft riots... I'd like to see your source.

Also, New Mexico Territory, was the sight of the Battle of Glorietta Pass. Colorado Union soldiers send a whole bunch of Texas shitheels walking back to Texas. Your numbers are... flawed.

What is the size of a Company? Cav Companies are diff than Infantry... and Artillery is organized into Batteries. Since the answer varies, your data doesn't really hold water. No offense.

Also, the five civilized tribes inhabiting current day Oklahoma were slave owners... and fought for the Confederacy.

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Glad-Degree-4270 t1_iysi9st wrote

NYC had draft riots, but you don’t understand how big of a population center it was at the time. NYS was a breadbasket state and industrial powerhouse, and the main port of entry. All those immigrants getting recruited off the boat for guaranteed income would’ve gone into NY units. So not only is one of (if not the largest) states by population Recruiting from within but also responsible for grabbing up new American immigrants as well.

And the draft riots were the exception, not the norm. Basically every town in the state has a canon from the war at its memorial with lists of all the men that never came back, and the canon is rightly pointed south.

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3Bi3 t1_iytshbh wrote

Ok, so do we count one New Yorker, and the Irishman he paid? (the War Department, collected fees to send a sub in your place)

The numbers add up if you count every New Yorker who paid their way out of the draft, AND the idiot fresh off the potato boat, that actually fought on the battlefields.

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ArkGamer t1_iypjkc1 wrote

I'm embarassed that I thought Missiouri was a confederate state.

Apparently they were completely torn and setup state governments for both sides and sent soldiers for both sides.

As crazy as things have been these last few years, this really puts things in perspective for how good we have it right now.

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makkdom t1_iypnhek wrote

Mark Twain (then plain Samuel Clemens) fought for the Confederacy for two weeks before quitting and heading to Nevada along with his older brother who was appointed to a position in the territorial government there. He wrote a (mostly fictional) account of his wartime experience in a sketch entitle "The Private History of a Campaign That Failed."

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RedmondBarry1999 t1_iyocjd2 wrote

I'm surprised there weren't any from D.C.; they had a larger population than Oregon did at the time.

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barnegatsailor t1_iyoguwr wrote

DC had 3 regiments, one cavalry and two infantry.

Fun fact, the 2nd DC Infantry Regiment included a soldier named John Staples. During the Civil War it was customary for wealthy and powerful individuals to pay representatives to be their stand-ins when they were drafted. John Staples, a DC resident who had previously served in the 176th PA but was medically discharged after a battle with typhus, was Abraham Lincoln's stand-in. Lincoln paid him $500 ($18,000 today) to serve in the regiment in his stead. Lincoln requested he not be assigned combat duty and he served the remainder of the war as the clerk to the regiment's commanding officer. If you ever end up in Stroudsburg, PA there is a historical marker on Main Street dedicated to him.

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SalemDrumline2011 t1_iyoifd6 wrote

Why would Lincoln need a stand-in? He’s Commander in Chief

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booniebrew t1_iyp3cso wrote

Apparently the War Department had asked citizens ineligible to be drafted to pay someone to fight for them, not in their stead but to provide more troops outside the draft. Lincoln paid Staples to set an example and encourage more people to do it.

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barnegatsailor t1_iyp2yts wrote

Something to do with supporting the policy or something like that. Idk exactly why but he did.

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m0llusk t1_iyovzlh wrote

Really interesting that NH had so few. After the war ended a great many veterans of the war came to NH to settle. This resulted in a kind of cultural pulse that I could still feel when growing up there, especially around the middle of the state. Very strong negative sentiment toward Confederate states and citizens endured for long afterward.

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booniebrew t1_iyp44ik wrote

I was surprised by VT as well. Looking at population numbers at the time VT and NH had ~320k people each compared to NY's 3.8M. Adjusting for population the recruitment numbers were pretty similar for all 3 states.

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whooguyy t1_iypin4h wrote

Since Alaska didn’t give anything to the union, I can only assume they supported the south /s

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danmur15 t1_iypea3m wrote

It'd be cool to see the reverse on the same map. Put confederate states in red with the same scale

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IkeRoberts t1_iypji5m wrote

The western states, then territories, had different shapes then. It would be appropriate to use the contemporary state lines in the graphic presentation when competing on r/dataisbeautiful

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SirTrentHowell t1_iypdekh wrote

My ancestor fought with the 140th Pennsylvania volunteer Infantry Regiment which mustered into service in the summer of 1862. So it’s not just that Pennsylvania sent so many men to war, but also how quickly those units were formed. The 140th was in training into the fall and missed Antietam and Fredericksburg and didn’t see real action until spring of 1863.

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IRTNL t1_iypkxoo wrote

My ggg was a calvary from boston, his sword is still in the family to this day

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spinbutton t1_iyqnkd3 wrote

NC gave 4 regiments of white sliders and a whole brigade of black soldiers to the union. It's less than 10, which is the cutoff for this graphic.

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Drink15 t1_iyqqyoo wrote

Explains a lot about the lower half of DE

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EnvironmentalCry3898 t1_iyr5es4 wrote

maine is just green.

I moved to a small town of 700 in the 80s. middle of the woods.

one of the chores was to mow the cemetery.. mostly school age workers.

I found a medal of honor union guy. I just moved away 2 years ago.. a random 30 years, checking on the cemetery.

I had assumed maine was so far north, the way news travelled would have left it like a north midwest state.. but no. It still gathered men.

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TJamesV t1_iyrafd0 wrote

I always get a tickle of pride thinking about how my home state, MN, provided key support in a number of civil war battles. Don't remember the details, but we definitely fought hard.

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DazedWithCoffee t1_iyriqzi wrote

Yes but how many states rights were they withholding in those states? /s

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IDKMaybeTho t1_iyrl4nf wrote

Thanks for all the help, Vermont and New Hampshire!

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VermontRox t1_iyrrvey wrote

I would like to see this data represented as per capita.

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Jobbers101 t1_iypruv8 wrote

Ohio has changed teams since then.

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