We need your help getting psilocybin medicine legalized in Washington!

Submitted by woody_DD11 t3_109d2jn in Washington

This year’s Psilocybin services bill was just introduced to the legislature, if you are in favor of access to supported adult use of psilocybin services in Washington, would you please comment in favor of the bill here? https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5263

You can read the full text of the bill here, but the TL;DR is that the bill would create a legal structure for practitioners to get certification in guiding mushroom experiences, which can then be used in conjunction with therapy. This is very similar to Oregon's 109 bill that already passed, with some key improvements such as protections for employees to not be fired if their employer finds out they used psilocybin services.

Commenting will go a LONG way to getting this passed. We are aiming to have over 1000 in favor comments on SB 5263. It will ask you to verify your address, so please only comment if you live in Washington. Thank you so much!!

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__fujoshi t1_j3xs5th wrote

left a comment for my 3 reps in support of the bill.

"In this era of worsening mental health I think it's even more important for legislation to put an emphasis on equal and equitable access to treatments known to be beneficial, regardless of any stigma associated with them."

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SparrowAgnew t1_j3xniqc wrote

Commented and requested a response. We'll see what the reps for my district think.

I like that this bill requires a licensed profession to administer the dose as opposed to simply legalizing the sale like with weed.

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Cal-Coolidge t1_j3yegck wrote

Having a sober stranger observing me while experiencing the effects of psilocybin sounds like a recipe for a negative experience. I’d rather my elected officials recognize that they have no business controlling my body or mind, but I guess this is a step in the right direction.

What a strange time we live in that our state legislature is simultaneously ignoring explicit rights protected by the federal and state constitutions while proposing legislation that blatantly ignores the federal governments laws on controlled substances. Wild.

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SmbdysDad t1_j3z0iif wrote

I totally get it. Remember, we had medical marijuana before it was legal too.

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RevengeOfTheDong t1_j3zdc5f wrote

But in many states once marinol came out they did away with any plans for legalization cuz they could point to it and say “there you go, it has all the same effects but without giving you reefer madness or distrusting our supply of slaves”

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SmbdysDad t1_j3zdlzc wrote

You can read the bill here. It doesn't do that. At all.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5263&Year=2023&Initiative=false

And here we stand with talk of federal cannabis legalization.

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RevengeOfTheDong t1_j3ztn6u wrote

Yeah “services” lol aka hokey bullshit that you can’t use insurance on and they charge a ton of money for.

How much is an hour of standard counseling…… now multiply that by 8 minimum and you should start to see what I mean.

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SmbdysDad t1_j3zvbkz wrote

As someone who would love to provide that service, I would strive to make it as affordable as possible. I want to help people more than I want to get rich. If I can make as much as I make as a full time RN and pay a solid wage to any employees, I would be fine.

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RevengeOfTheDong t1_j3zxffv wrote

Imagine saying that with weed, it’s a fucking joke to do this special-interests-only version of legalization. We don’t need daddy government looking over our shoulders like we’re misbehaving children.

I’ll take the black market 10/10 over this bill and hope it doesn’t pass. It’s just like the Ohio weed bill.

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uhp787 t1_j3xtuht wrote

done, i use it for CPTSD/ Depression and anxiety. it should be sanctioned so others can benefit. Not everyone can take those magic pills.

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lilmeatcicle t1_j3yg6he wrote

I just commented! I argued that not only would this benefit mental health survives but it would also open doors for scientific research on Psilocybin which could benefit the entire country.

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boing757 t1_j3y2kve wrote

Been trying to get recreational Cannabis growing for ten years.The legislature tends to focus on things that get them the most votes.

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arcle12 t1_j3y7z11 wrote

Done and Done. Thank you for your work!

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TequilaMagic t1_j3y951t wrote

Thanks for sharing. I just did it.

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wateranimus t1_j3ykund wrote

Thanks for letting us know about this!! Sent my comment to all 3.

As a disabled veteran with CPTSD I am in support of this bill. I would like to have the opportunity to have the treatment my psychiatrist thinks I should have but cannot because of an outdated law that has not been in touch with the medical community. This medical treatment can help me integrate better with my community, my husband, and family. I might be able to work full time again. There is the far reaching chance it could help with my pain disorder. But we do know that science and the law are out of touch and this law needs to be passed for people to get the help they need.

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SmbdysDad t1_j3z2g1w wrote

Still bummed the last one didn't get through. We should have been the leaders here instead of following Oregon and Colorado.

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ElTardoDente t1_j3xxm1j wrote

For anyone on the fence about this subject, i highly suggest watching the Netflix documentary “fantastic fungi”

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RakaYourWorld t1_j3yff7e wrote

Or take 5 grams, in a dark room, with silence and all electronics turned off. Life changing.

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pinalaporcupine t1_j3yt6nq wrote

5 for a newbie? too much. 1g is a much more safe first dose :)

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xResilientEvergreenx t1_j3yx842 wrote

Where do you even get it in the first place? 😩

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pinalaporcupine t1_j3z4yac wrote

trusted friends

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xResilientEvergreenx t1_j3z52jl wrote

Oh. Well fudge. I'm agoraphobic, so lacking in that department. 😭 😂

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XoomBF t1_j4154rb wrote

Ive seen that you can get away with legally purchasing online from mainstream sites the means to grow such mushrooms 🍄. It will take some months and you need the space to do it. Or you can learn how and where to find them naturally but be SURE and be SAFE.

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iexistwithinallevil t1_j405osx wrote

I did this and it ruined me for a couple years lol. Kept having flashbacks and disassociation issues. Never had any anxiety or panic attacks before that one trip

I’m all for this being legal and used as medicine but results will vary. That place (you know the one) can be wonderful but it can also be a hellscape

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SnooDonkeys7609 t1_j46mb5r wrote

Excellent movie. I highly recommend checking it out. And then watching "Have a Good Trip" which is a terrific documentary asking famous people about their experiences with psychedelics.

For Fantastic Fungi I love how they talk in depth about mycelium and it isn't until the tail end of the movie that they bring up the positive uses for psilocybin. Draw in all the nay sayers with other scientific facts linked to fungus. And then hit em with the dirty truth they don't want to hear.

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SmbdysDad t1_j3z0dzy wrote

Lol. Just posted something similar. I was going to print and distribute flyers to everywhere that would post them. Anyone have a flyer already designed?

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elmatador12 t1_j3z0m4p wrote

Are there any studies on how the Oregon law has been going?

I’m still going to vote yes but I’m curious on how it’s been for Oregon so far.

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MayorEricBlazecetti t1_j4076sr wrote

Done.

>Hello, and thanks for taking the time to read this little message. I am urging you to support SB 5263.
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>Please help the people get the mental health assistance they desperately need. Both the beautiful state of Washington and the entire country alike are dedicating unprecedented resources to solve problems like homelessness, opioid addiction, and gun violence. Yet year over year, we only hear the statistics going up. At some point, we need to step back and look for a true underlying cause rather than throw money and people at the symptoms. The real cancer killing our great cities from within is a mental health crisis that pushes people towards homelessness, drugs, and violence.
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>It's time for a change, and you have the power in your hands to help make it happen. Will you be the catalyst for a brighter future for our state? The ongoing criminalization of psychedelic medicines is an affront to Washingtonian values. Personal liberty on both spiritual and recreational endeavors must be preserved in the spirit of frontier adventurism. Remember: no victim, no crime

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Mania79 t1_j40d707 wrote

Done. I tell my doctor I need this treatment and he thinks it’s impossible to happen or that’d I’d have to leave the state to get it. The dam things grow in my yard but I’d still like to try a medical treatment.

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XoomBF t1_j413iwy wrote

I am ten toes my dude.

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BarLiving t1_j41viq5 wrote

Anything short of full decriminalization is regulatory capture for the medical and pharmaceutical industries. If it’s highly (and needlessly) regulated, only those who can afford >$1000 a session could access.

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Klaus_Unechtname t1_j44lwp4 wrote

Thank you. I was reading through this bill wondering how much will someone have to pay to get their “legal mushroom therapy”. I’m doubtful insurance companies would cover mushroom related treatments either. I would rather support a decriminalization bill.

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BarLiving t1_j44vycx wrote

I think the Oregon proposal is two therapists. My non-psychedelic therapist bills $180 an hour, so we’ll use that. $180 x 2 = $360/hr x 6+ hour trip = $2160. Lets really shoot lowball for preparation and post integration at 2 hours each for one therapist. 4 x 180 = $720. 2160 + 720 = $2880 per session, with 2-3 sessions needed. $5760 to $8640. That’s probably very low end.

That’s not even counting the logistics, security, and dispensing of the dose to the patient. Mass commercial production really wouldn’t make financial sense unless there was some sort of novel patent on a compounded formulation, say psilocybin and a mild sedative or anti-nauseal, which would come with its own Pharma-branded price tag. Total Customer Lifetime Value is low since they’ll likely not do multiple multi-session series, so price that accordingly. $100 a session is probably insanely low, so now you’re $6000-9000 deep. Add in overhead, insurance costs, etc. We’ll lowball that too, at 10% markup… $6600 to 9900.

Build that out with a whole scheme of credentialing, training programs, state regulation burden, etc. It’s not hard to imagine the dollar signs flashing in the mind’s eye of investors to build that out, and of course, price in their risk for this emerging market.

Compare to $4 of Uncle Ben’s rice, $10 for two bricks of coco coir, a $3 plastic tub, and a $15 syringe of spores/culture. $33 will get you 2-3 flushes per tub, with enough coir and spores to run 4-5 crops to heal your entire extended family many times over.

Regulatory capture is absolutely INSANE for something you can grow in your closet, which is impossible to overdose, rapidly creates immunity/tolerance, and is anti-addictive. Absolutely batshit crazy.

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BarLiving t1_j47aboz wrote

Oh no, a downvote, but can’t show me where I’m wrong.

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Klaus_Unechtname t1_j49rsil wrote

I suppose the rationale is that this bill is a stepping stone towards recreational legalization. Like how marijuana was first legalized medically, then decimalized, then legalized recreationally.

I guess I don’t want to admit that medical legalization is a necessary step because the heal are industry is so messed up in this country :/

Maybe supporting this bill is the best move

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BarLiving t1_j49u6fq wrote

I really think it’s different. You didn’t have 10 different hands, patents, and other IP in every nug of week quite like the pockets funding the studies and therapy schemes for every proprietary pill formulation. You bought it and you took it home. I’m not convinced that those interested and well-funded parties will be so quick to relinquish control and NPV of those investments once the money starts flowing. Likely, they will use their capital to extend their protections through rent-seeking regulation. Is it better than nothing? Sure. But decrim is far better.

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Trance_Motion t1_j423g8i wrote

Responding for visibility and have sent in a response in favor of the bill.

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ScoutysHonor t1_j426gqq wrote

Done! I used some cut/paste as well as adding my own:

"Psilocybin treatment is increasingly acknowledged by the scientific community as being instrumental in achieving positive outcomes by many people who suffer from post traumatic stress disorders and depression. This can be a valuable tool for many. Please consider supporting the passage of this legislation. Eventually I would prefer full legalization, as has been done with marijuana. For the record, I have never use Psilocybin in my life, but I believe it has a huge benefit for veterans and those suffering with PTSD, so having the option in the medical toolkit would be fantastic for those who suffer."

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-MushroomMan- t1_j44jcaq wrote

I'm all for it. It's classified as a schedule one drug which means it has no medicinal value. That is a lie. Psilocybin mushrooms offer many health and cognitive benefits that should not be ignored. Don't listen to me, Don't listen to your government. it's important for people to make their own educated decisions based off experience and research. I do believe like many other things in life one could be irresponsible and reckless which could endanger themselves or others. But with a proper set and setting and even a proper guide someone could experience years of therapy in a matter of hours or going on a trip with our leaving home.. Don't be afraid to press the reset button

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RevengeOfTheDong t1_j3zd3dg wrote

Nah fuck this. Not paying thousands of dollars so some quack who sponsored the bill can cash in.

This isn’t about medicine it’s about freedom. The government shouldn’t be telling you what substances you can and can’t put into your own body, we recognize bodily autonomy in so many other ways just not this one.

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Snickersthecat t1_j3zg0cx wrote

This isn't for people who already have access, this is for grandmas dying of cancer who don't trust mushrooms grown in your friend's closet.

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RevengeOfTheDong t1_j3zt7gs wrote

So legalize it like alcohol or marijuana and sell it in a store. The government should have no say in that besides the taxes.

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Smzzms t1_j40uewr wrote

How noble of you. Pretending to care about grandma just so you can get high.

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Snickersthecat t1_j41cqzj wrote

You realize this isn't a recreational model, yes?

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Smzzms t1_j41o646 wrote

Sure. Neither was “medical” booze during prohibition or “medical” marijuana.

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Snickersthecat t1_j41ua4p wrote

Well if you want to lock people up for using drugs that's your call. Frankly I think it's fucking idiotic.

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Smzzms t1_j42j1at wrote

I’m in favor of decriminalization of all drugs. But turning a sacred medicine into a commodity and branding it as therapy or a “cure all” for mental issues rubs me the wrong way. People have gone to jail for possession and cultivation of these substances.

And now the state wants to sanction it so yuppy doctors can charge people for mushrooms? No thanks.

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[deleted] t1_j3ywzpd wrote

No thanks 😂

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lurkerfromstoneage t1_j400siz wrote

I would only vote support for this IF: it was in-office use only, not for external pharmacy fill or use at home. Doors security present. Taxpayer money did not fund it. Administering in a session was done with and monitored by a licensed therapist or professional, not a tech or self proclaimed expert. There were medical physicians to take vitals and respond to any situations. No walk ins or self referrals, or self diagnoses- must be referred by a licensed psychologist/psychiatrist. Patients were expected to handle themselves maturely on social media etc. Taking psych meds isn’t something a lot of people are open/bragging about. But I feel like people would just brag about this. “Yoooo bruuuhhhh no CAP my shroom sesh was straight BUSSIN” 🙄

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SnooDonkeys7609 t1_j46nxn6 wrote

Ah yes. Only make it legal if big pharma gets to continue to exploit peoe with depression and PTSD. So long as big daddy D gets to control what grows naturally in the ground. Right?

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Major-Thomas t1_j42h6r6 wrote

Read the bill FFS, it's not long at all and actually does most of this. The only "self-proclaimed expert" here seems to be you.

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