SilverNicktail t1_ixve5q1 wrote
Reply to comment by SilverNicktail in U.S. Renewable Energy Will Surge Past Coal and Nuclear by Year’s End by VanillaSwimming5699
> https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/high-energy-prices/
This one blames the rise in energy costs entirely on gas, and the shortfall in generation in not rolling out enough generation to replace the elimination of coal. That's two sources you've not read.Next!
> https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/why-cant-renewable-energy-sources-keep-uk-energy-prices-down/
Literally the same thing again, lol. This time you didn't even read as far as the fucking byline:
> Huge increases in gas prices have sent UK energy bills skyrocketing. Renewable energy has been unable to help but there are other solutions.
Energy costs in the UK right now are entirely caused by the profiteering of fossil fuel companies, and a conservative government that refuses to stop them. Again, the issue here is that the UK doesn't have enough renewable generation and storage, not that renewables increased the price of generation. You're VERY BAD at this.
This one is LITERALLY IN THE URL ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND??
Four in a fucking row, holy shit. Every single one of these links says that the price of gas is the problem and you're twisting reality to blame renewables for the price gouging of gas companies.
Damn, one of the links you copy-pasted without reading it was actually half-decent, though even this makes it clear that some of the cost issues of renewables are part and parcel of the transition - teething issues in changing generation types. Producers have rolled out generation, but need to be putting more effort into storage so that fossil fuel plants covering variability and shortfalls - whose margins get much worse when they're used as backup rather than primary generation - can be retired altogether. Ironically, the argument being made at the end of the article about the need for the business model of generation to change is really an argument for the nationalisation of utilities, but I'm sure that both an American writing in Forbes and a hypercapitalist like yourself both completely failed to realise that.
In short, in some cases renewable rollouts have pushed prices, but they don't have to, and it isn't a permanent thing.
Sigh Aaaaand we're back to yet another article you didn't read from the UK's energy crisis that makes it extremely clear that the problem is THE PRICE OF GAS.
> https://greenworld.org.uk/article/energy-crisis-why-are-renewable-prices-rising-too
And again. Holy shit, my guy. The dead giveaway that you didn't read any of these - other than them proving you wrong - is that they all (apart from Forbes) say the same thing, and you wouldn't need six of them to say one thing.
> European Windfarm and Solar companies are going out of business, because renewables are too expensive and unprofitable. https://stopthesethings.com/2022/04/24/transition-to-bankruptcy-europes-wind-turbine-makers-face-massive-financial-collapse/
......Where do I even start? Question: do you think that a blog site dedicated to the destruction of the wind turbine industry might be biased in any way? The actual ReCharge article blames the current high inflationary rates and a large hike in the price of raw materials for the bulk of the industry's current woes. I'm sure non-renewable sources don't need things like.....steel..........They're also calling for shifts in government policy to make the industry more sustainable, because of the current auction system and a focus on minimal cost that results in reliance on outsourcing instead of domestic production. If you've managed to make that "renewables are unprofitable" whilst ignoring - oh, I dunno - everywhere and everything else on Earth, then you're honestly a bit weird.
Paywalled, but I'm guessing given how obvious it is that you haven't read these articles you don't know what's in it either. Judging by the byline, a single solar company went bust, and this is supposed to mean something to the wider market?
It's a good thing no gas suppliers have gone bust during the energy crisis or this point would look really stupid.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58732683
> As you can see, a large part of inflation in europe is energy related and I already mentioned dependance on NG partially due to renewables.
Bitch, you can't even spell "dependence". It's also pretty dumb to admit that the rise in energy prices is because of gas, and then blame renewables for it.
Wait, is that what you've been going for this entire time? That gas usage is the fault of renewables?? Countries didn't switch to gas because of renewables, lol. They switched to gas to get away from coal. Your own fucking sources show that! Remember this??
> https://www.statsjamie.co.uk/high-energy-prices/
Actually, you don't remember this because you didn't read any of this shit, but bear with me. Can you see when the "gas" bit is largest? Yeah, and you see how that's before the mass rollout of renewables? And you understand that time is a linear concept, yeah? Causality? At this point I'm wondering if you have basic fuckin' object permanence.
Natural gas was brought in because it's cheaper and cleaner than coal (not the same as being clean), which is why it's now the primary generation source in a lot of countries, and somewhat naturally the source that covers shortfall in variable renewable generation because it's already there.
Was that actually your argument in this comment? That electricity prices have gone up because of pre-existing gas generation in the grid, and that's the fault of renewables because....there...aren't yet enough renewables to not use it?
Congrats, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in quite some time. Amazing.
I cannot believe how much of my Saturday morning I just let you waste blaming renewables for the price of gas. I've got my shift at the concrete mine to get to!
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