claysverycoolreddit t1_je1g76q wrote
DoktoroKiu t1_je1liku wrote
How so? The universe must also be guilty of coercing us to work for our survival, then, too.
There are many problems with capitalist society, but any functional society will involve some type of exchange of labor for goods and services needed to survive. Be it a paycheck from a wealthy capitalist business owner, or a contract you enter into with your community in an anarchist society, you will be "coerced" into being a useful part of society one way or another.
The only way you would never be compelled to work would be by the charity of others, or whenever we've managed to fully automate everything so that no human labor is required.
claysverycoolreddit t1_je1luhr wrote
It can't be eliminated, but it can be reduced
claysverycoolreddit t1_je1lyoy wrote
My point is that it isn't really a choice if the only other option is death
DoktoroKiu t1_je2bg2s wrote
True, but really that is the basic choice given to us by nature.
There are more equitable societal arrangements, but none will remove the requirement that you contribute in exchange for participation.
claysverycoolreddit t1_je2bup1 wrote
Yes, but you agreed with, "I chose to do the work myself, which rewards me with a lot of money to spend on whatever I want." And I'm saying that it's not really a choice if the other option is death
DoktoroKiu t1_je2dlgu wrote
I didn't say that (I butted into the conversation).
Do you not see death as a choice? What would be a better option? Force others to support you just because? Is it still coercion if instead of death you get provided the bare minimum to keep you alive? At what standard of living is it no longer coercion?
Even in an anarchist society you will have to come to some type of arrangement with society to meet your basic needs (unless you live on your own in the wilderness or something). The visions of anarchist society I've heard of would not let these "lost causes" die, but in reality I see this as a kindness, not some obligation.
claysverycoolreddit t1_je2iqaw wrote
I've told already told you that there is no way to fully eliminate it, but minimizing it is still a good thing to strive for
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