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BMorris2526 t1_j41nra1 wrote

The masks are useless. How many people do you know that wear masks on a regular basis and got covid? I know many people that mask and are boosted and they have gotten covid many times.

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[deleted] t1_j41omka wrote

This is idiotic toff, sorry. It’s like saying “I know someone who exercised and ate well who got cancer, so healthy lifestyles don’t work to extend lifespan and a diet of Hostess cupcakes and Mountain Dew is just as good.”

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buddhamanjpb t1_j41q3gs wrote

Anecdotal "evidence" is a logical fallacy. How can you attempt to make a valid point if you don't even understand high school science.

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BMorris2526 t1_j442q1b wrote

Oh you must be right. Closing schools, masking kids, taking basketball hoops out of public parks, masking in restaurants while you walk to your seat, but then magically the mask isn't necessary when one sits. All of these mitigation measures were so successful at stopping the spread of covid. All without any negative mental health and cognitive effects on our kids. You are brilliant, keep it up.

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BMorris2526 t1_j43niz3 wrote

Like there are only boys and girls. I did really well in that class.

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buddhamanjpb t1_j43xhe0 wrote

If that's all you got out of that class, it actually explains a lot...

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BMorris2526 t1_j4423ra wrote

Maybe you should take it. You libs seem very confused about human biology.

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buddhamanjpb t1_j442qcm wrote

Funny how you assume I'm a "lib" just because I pointed out that your original reply was asinine.

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Smrgle t1_j428pws wrote

Masks were never meant to protect the wearer. I got Covid twice, and masked regularly and nobody near me ever got it. I call that a successful mask right there, because I think about people other than myself.

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katieleehaw t1_j42efsj wrote

Wearing a mask when you are sick to avoid spreading your own illness is very effective. That is what most masked people at work these days are doing, so you're fucking welcome.

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newtoRI22 t1_j430h54 wrote

If you are ill enough that you are concerned about spreading illness, you should not fool yourself into thinking that your mask is effective.

Most people aren’t wearing N95s and even those who are may not be wearing them with a proper fit.

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Scapuless t1_j42rus5 wrote

If you ever have to have surgery, please put your money where your mouth is and request that the surgical team refrain from wearing masks because they are useless.

Please, promise us all that you will do that. Please.

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newtoRI22 t1_j435zwo wrote

Surgical masks are not N95 respirators. They are designed to prevent droplets (effectively spit) from entering the surgical site.

N95s and other respirators work to prevent aerosols from being circulated to/from the user.

Two entirely different designs for two different use cases. Surgical masks and cloth masks do not provide good control of aerosols.

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Augnelli t1_j45wv00 wrote

>They are designed to prevent droplets (effectively spit) from entering the surgical site.

And how is COVID passed most frequently?

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newtoRI22 t1_j46v46i wrote

Aerosols.

Droplets are not the same thing as aerosols. Airborne transmission - that is transmission via aerosols - is the primary mechanism: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00925-7

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Augnelli t1_j47h3mc wrote

Great! And what form do aerosols take in the human respiratory system?

Oh, that's right, water droplets from expectorants! Of which, mask, even cloth ones, are effective at slowing or preventing their wide ranging spread. God damn, did you wake up today and decide to be stupid, or is this your default?

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newtoRI22 t1_j4hgfti wrote

Calling me “stupid” is unnecessary and speaks more about you than me.

I’m not going to dox myself, but I can assure you that I’m better qualified to make a physical distinction between droplets and aerosols than anyone in this comment thread.

If you had bothered to read the coverage by Nature (one of the most widely respected scientific outfits in the world) that I linked, you would have seen this:

> The seemingly uncontroversial statement marked a clear shift for the Switzerland-based WHO, which had tweeted categorically early in the pandemic, “FACT: #COVID19 is NOT airborne,” casting the negative in capital letters as if to remove any doubt. At that time, the agency maintained that the virus spreads mainly through droplets produced when a person coughs, sneezes or speaks, an assumption based on decades-old infection-control teachings about how respiratory viruses generally pass from one person to another. The guidance recommended distancing of more than one metre — within which these droplets were thought to fall to the ground — along with hand washing and surface disinfection to stop transfer of droplets to the eyes, nose and mouth. > > It took until 20 October 2020 for the agency to acknowledge that aerosols — tiny specks of fluid — can transmit the virus, but the WHO said this was a concern only in specific settings, such as indoor, crowded and inadequately ventilated spaces. Over the next six months, the agency gradually altered its advice to say that aerosols could carry the virus for more than a metre and remain in the air (see ‘Changing views of how COVID spreads’).

Droplets are significantly larger than aerosols even though both are quite small. Droplets ante not considered airborne. Aerosols linger in the air for long periods of time whereas droplets tend to settle within a few seconds. This is important because the transmission mechanisms of viral particles contained within droplets or aerosols are different.

For a detailed scientific discussion of the difference between droplets and aerosols, as well as the impact on pandemic policies, see here: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsfs.2021.0049

I hope you’ll reconsider insulting people in the future.

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Augnelli t1_j4hlho6 wrote

It's not airborne or in water droplets! It's in small droplets of water that are airborne!

I will not reconsider calling out bad faith arguments and cherry picking wherever I see it. If that means calling people like you stupid, so be it.

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newtoRI22 t1_j4hssda wrote

Bad faith? Are those italics supposed to be my words?

> It's not airborne or in water droplets! It's in small droplets of water that are airborne!

I never said it wasn’t airborne. I said that surgical masks aren’t meant to protect against aerosols. (Ironic that you say I’m arguing in bad faith while you falsely imply I hold positions that I do not.)

Would you do asbestos remediation with a surgical mask? Surely not. (Asbestos particles span both droplet and aerosol sizes.) You would select an appropriate respirator for the job.

A proper respirator seals around your nose and mouth to prevent the aerosols from coming in. An N95 can do that reasonably well for viruses when proper fit is achieved. A surgical mask can’t because they are not designed to seal. They’re designed to capture spittle droplets from the wearer.

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bungocheese t1_j42sux6 wrote

I actually didn't get it for 2 years while being forced to be out and working in the public, and one of the first non-masked things I went to in public I ended up getting it. If your anectodal evidence is to be a point, so can mine, not that that's at all how science or math work.

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zinziesmom t1_j44b57y wrote

Surprise us all and tell us you aren’t vaccinated.

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BMorris2526 t1_j44i4bp wrote

Believe it or not, I've had three compliance shots. I actually believed Biden when he said repeatedly that if one gets vaccinated they won't get covid. You likely still believe that it prevents people from getting and spreading covid.

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BMorris2526 t1_j43ns3c wrote

Only 72 negatives. Come on libs. You can do better than that.

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