PSA: Please stop calling these "Irish" sublegends. They are not Irish.Submitted by DiplomacyPunIn10Did t3_ycd8hb in MechanicalKeyboards
DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlge45 wrote
With the group buy for CRP R5, I thought it might be time to share this particular pet peeve that seems to be weirdly widespread.
The legends that Hammer, 21kb, and others have been advertising for quite some time as being "Irish" sublegends are not Irish at all. They are, instead, the US International layout, a layout useful for persons who type primarily on a US keyboard but that need to access characters used by Western and Northern European languages. This layout is also widely used in The Netherlands.
The actual Irish layout is nearly identical to the UK layout.
My suspicion is that this error started with one manufacturer who didn't know any better and has since proliferated. Please stop using a country's name to label and sell a product that has nothing to do with that country. Or, at the very least, do like Syruplabs and start labeling these kits correctly as Not Irish.
DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlid13 wrote
Addendum:
pwade found what appears to be the source of the original error, a run of keycaps from IMSTO. There, the layout was labeled "Irish(USIntl)," which at least got the second part right.
wosmo t1_itlz90g wrote
That makes it look like "Irish" was intended as a colourway. Within that description, there's no rhyme or rhythm between where they use layout(colours) and colours(layout).
But then they also call US-ANSI "normal english", so .. the idea that anyone would learn layout names from that is worrying.
docentmark t1_itlk8o4 wrote
US International isn’t so much widely used in the Netherlands as it is the only layout commonly used in the Netherlands. The main exception is when people buy stuff in neighbouring countries, so the occasional QWERTZ keyboard is seen, for example.
DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlkpqr wrote
Right. I was couching my terminology there because of the older Dutch layout that some still use (though rare).
Pinkisacoloryes t1_itnh07i wrote
I could be wrong but the imsto pbt group buy may have been the original. Simply subdyed gateron caps. They had different colorways and the green was called Irish. Not sure if it existed prior to that.
TypicalOranges t1_itmnitg wrote
> My suspicion is that this error started
Hi! The only error here is in your inference that people are referring to the sublegends when they call this keyset Irish! They are very much referring to the colorway as "Irish". Very hard mistake to make, but don't worry! Irish isn't everyone's first language!
DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itmq6gr wrote
I hope you're being sarcastic, as there are multiple instances.
21kb Irish Classic Retro Beige
>Featuring Irish sublegends
Colorway that's not Irish-themed, just the same layout.
>Font: Irish Languange+Standard US Font
TypicalOranges t1_itmqf64 wrote
I hope you're being sarcastic and this entire post is an elaborate troll, because i find it exceptionally hard to believe people like you actually fucking exist.
Those are chinese clone factory stores. They probably name their fake Yeezy's wrong, too. They do not speak English fluently and are thus prone to naming shit incorrectly, especially when they're ripping the design from some other keyset.
I'd recommend you repost this PSA on Chinese community forums translated appropriately into Mandarin to reach your target audience.
Vicrooloo t1_itn1dtf wrote
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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