raggedtoad t1_j6k7fib wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:27 PM

Reply to comment by WelcomeToTheBough in Evictions in Maine shot up during 2022, with filings growing 27% by iwantmypinkshirtback

Literally yes. Taking your car example we have just gone through a supply/demand induced price crunch, and now that supply chains are getting back to normal, automakers are lowering prices, dealerships are offering incentives again, and used car prices are plummeting.

So... Nice point?

I think you're confusing basic supply and demand economics with Reagan-esque trickle down nonsense. They are not the same.

WelcomeToTheBough t1_j6k7zx5 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:30 PM

its rent seeking, you can sit on empty units or airbnb them to keep prices up (they do it, google it). They aren't widgets pig they are homes. You don't care if poor and broke Mainer's suffer.

You are literally promoting trickle down housing and you cant cite it working in a popular market like California because it doesn't work if a bunch of well off people can move in!

raggedtoad t1_j6k9i1q wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:40 PM

What the hell is "trickle down housing"? You're talking out of your ass.

If you allow developers to build nice, new townhouses in Westbrook for all the out-of-state tech bros to move into, it will free up apartments in all the older 4-6 unit buildings and the price pressure will be reduced. It's seriously the most basic supply and demand equation you could imagine.

The only issue is if developers are knocking down older housing stock to build new, but I'm not aware of that happening en masse.

WelcomeToTheBough t1_j6ka7h1 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:45 PM

no it doesn't! If you still have demand (which is only growing with people moving here) the rents stay up in the "older units". Your claiming prices trickle down! Again Cali rents aren't going down. Your premise that what will be built under new up zoning beats overall demand, show me that because its bs!

YIMBYS want it both ways

Free market extremism (build whatever basically)

and the magic claim it backfills demand, when the market doesn't mind people in the streets or at moms house! It cares about capturing max returns and renting to poor people doesn't pay for buildings!

raggedtoad t1_j6kihlg wrote on January 30, 2023 at 11:41 PM

So if we built 200,000 units of housing in Maine overnight, just for the sake of argument, your claim is that 200,000 people would appear out of nowhere and rents would continue to climb?

C'mon, man.

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raggedtoad t1_j6ku00d wrote on January 31, 2023 at 1:04 AM

It's a debate strategy. I'm picking an absurd extreme to make a point, which is that reality lies somewhere between my extreme and what the person I'm arguing with is saying.

We can't have a rational debate based solely on platitudes and ideologies. I am 100% sure that more housing fixes housing shortages.

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raggedtoad t1_j6kwmso wrote on January 31, 2023 at 1:23 AM

If you even read my comment a few spots up this thread you'd already know my stance on that.

It doesn't matter if developers build higher end new stuff (which they largely will), because it still frees up older and less desirable supply which should be renting for a lot less than it is.

If you want the Old Port to look like it did in the 1970s, enact a bunch of restrictive rent control and lower income construction requirements and wait 20 years.

The Old Port is literally the charming hipster foodie destination it is because people with money want to live there...