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mit_catastrophe OP t1_j8t25pz wrote

The present rate of CO2 increase is much larger than in past disruption events. However, the critical rate of change seen in past events is only part of the story. First. the timescale of the current situation (about a century) is much shorter than past events. Second, natural processes in the oceans tend to damp perturbations of CO2, at a roughly 10,000 year timescale. The upshot is that the critical rate of the modern event must be rescaled by a factor of about 100/10000 = 0.01 to be compared to past catastrophes. When that rescaling is done, our modern disruption event, if it continues throughout this century, looks fairly similar to the runup to extreme warming events of the past, including those associated with mass extinction. A rough estimate is that the tipping point would occur late in this century. For more detail, see our papers here and here.

But that too is only part of the story. If the tipping point is real, our own calculations suggest a roughly 10000-yr trajectory during which things become progressively worse—but only if there were no negative feedbacks beyond those we currently understand that would act to arrest the trajectory. And we would imagine that new technologies—or simply improved scientific understanding—might contribute towards goading the Earth system in the right direction.

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Barry_22 t1_j8x1r3e wrote

How false is the assertion that this climate change is not man-made (or at least not man-catalyzed), e.g. when some say that it's a cyclical change that would have happened anyway?

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GamerlingJvR t1_j8y86e5 wrote

Whats the cyvle? Can you Show another time this happened? If not, how can it be cyclical?

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jupiterLILY t1_j9cz3dd wrote

The earth goes through periods of warming and cooling as (from what I remember) the ellipses of our orbit changes over time.

This is why we have ice ages and stuff.

Take this with a pinch of salt though because this is a 15 year old memory.

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GamerlingJvR t1_j9e0i4a wrote

So, did you check on the cycles dates? Last time I checked we should come out of an ice age. There is also a cycle which flips the orientation of our magnetic poles or something like that. Maybe you can include that to make an argument for "non man made climate change"

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jupiterLILY t1_j9e72f4 wrote

The climate changes naturally. But that’s an entirely different process happening at an entirely different speed to man made climate change.

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