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HappyHighwayman t1_jd9mkt3 wrote

Objectively untrue. There are tons of terrible, weak, non-bad-ass people out there.

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ArtisticBid127 t1_jdelq3o wrote

Preach. I am one of those people, actually. And we have the right to exist. I am totally fine with being weak and I actually enjoy in a twisted way feeling miserable. Sometimes I make bad decisions on purpose just to feel that pleasure.

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SpiritStriver90 t1_jda2688 wrote

I don't think "terrible" and "weak" go together. I think it's wrong to call seriously traumatized people "terrible".

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HappyHighwayman t1_jda2jjs wrote

You’re moving the goal posts. Nobody said seriously traumatized anywhere

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SpiritStriver90 t1_jda2oba wrote

I took it as the implication. That could have been mistaken. If it was, then okay, but what then did you mean? (And the goalpost moving is thus not intentional, even if still a matter of fact.)

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ArtisticBid127 t1_jdemxx5 wrote

Yeah, I agree. They don't necessarily go together. But often (very traumatized/mentally ill people) are actually terrible for others...maybe not always intentionally.

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SpiritStriver90 t1_jdenbct wrote

Perhaps, but that's not the same as "weak", either. Also, when it's that extreme it absolutely needs a competent mental health professional handling it, not a layperson or moralizer (punisher, like in a jail, where they deliberately deny people treatment as a way to exact "society's just retribution" upon them, something I'd rather undermine.).

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ArtisticBid127 t1_jdeo8mv wrote

When you're not healthy, you are less capable of dealing with live than other people. So you are weaker. Like, I actually have a toothache right now and I feel pretty weak.

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MeetInPotatoes t1_jddtlo9 wrote

How would you know having not lived in their shoes? Research "fundamental attribution error."

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HappyHighwayman t1_jddtozi wrote

So you’re saying everyone is awesome strong and bad-ass?

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MeetInPotatoes t1_jddxp51 wrote

No, but I'm noticing how you chose to mischaracterize the position as if it were an extreme absolute as your first step in arguing. It means you have a weak point to make. Not really interested in wherever you were going there cause you're starting off by signaling that you will be making cheap, low quality arguments.

People have strong tendencies to not give to give themselves credit for all they've been through. That's all this is getting at. Slap yourself upside the head and tell yourself that things don't have to be 100% literally true in every single case to have value as advice. I've worked with a lot of people who struggle with being too literal about everything, so I assume that's all that's happening here for you.

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HappyHighwayman t1_jde0o04 wrote

There are objectively bad people out there.

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MeetInPotatoes t1_jdl237j wrote

I specifically didn't argue that. Would you spurn wisdom because it might not apply to some people who read it? Your call, but I wouldn't understand it. Would it be easier if we just put out a browser extension that stamped "I don't know who needs to hear this, but..." in front of every piece of advice? Couldn't you just imagine it being there instead?..so you don't miss out on what might apply to you by wasting your time thinking about who it doesn't apply to?

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