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CriticalUnit t1_j5tcvlx wrote

Reply to comment by Fiskifus in Solar powered hydrogen facility being built in California by ForHidingSquirrels

> What's the energy cost of extracting materials, processing them, producing, shipping, installing and maintaining all that solar panel infraestructure which will need to be renewed and therefore spend again the same energy every 30 or so years?

Than than the energy cost of current Fossil Fuel solutions

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Fiskifus t1_j5tfh02 wrote

Both are a meaningless waste of resources only in service of the never satisfied monster of economic growth.

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CriticalUnit t1_j5ttagz wrote

Sure, but those are much deeper fundamental problems with how our Economies are organized, not technologial problems.

Barring a complete economic and financial revolution, Some options are less harmful than others. So lets Deploy those.

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Fiskifus t1_j5u81ib wrote

I think it's better to get an economic and financial revolution rolling, because if not deploying those less harmful solutions will be as harmful in the long run.

Do you what's use to extract the materials, minerals and rare earth to build solar panels? Fossil fuels.

Do you know what's used to build and ensemble those solar panels? Fossil fuels.

Do you know what's used to ship solar panels around? Fossil fuels.

The more solar panel use, the more fossil fuel use, because you can't get the sort of energy needed for mines, factories, and transport from solar, wind and other "less harmful" options

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CriticalUnit t1_j5xrqcl wrote

> The more solar panel use, the more fossil fuel use,

Sure, currently most manufacturing and extraction runs on FF. But that Is also changing.

>deploying those less harmful solutions will be as harmful in the long run.

This is blatantly false.

More solar panel use means LESS Fossil fuel use vs not using the solar panels. Each electron produced by solar displaces electrons made from fossil fuels. How are you not understanding this? It's a transition process. It doesn't happen from one day to the next. The transition will take decades.

>I think it's better to get an economic and financial revolution rolling,

Sure, lets see your plan for that. I'm interested how you expect to do that.

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