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TheUmgawa t1_j20d1gr wrote

Reply to comment by alcatrazcgp in 11 years ago Michio Kaku talked about mind upload into Machine - Big Think by keghi11

But, from the robot's perspective, it's you, so I don't see the distinction. In The Prestige, does it matter that the Great Anton in the balcony isn't the one in the tank? Not at all.

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alcatrazcgp t1_j20dd3j wrote

I see a massive distinction, you die, a clone of you lives, you will not experience anything that clone does, "you" are no longer alive, that is an imposter, a copy of you

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TheUmgawa t1_j20dwo5 wrote

I am fine with that. You know who else is fine with that? The imposter who is, for all intents and purposes, me. How much guilt would you feel if one day you woke up, then watched someone who looks just like yourself die, and then you just went on living for another hundred years? To you, you're not an imposter. And the dead guy doesn't care, because he's dead.

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alcatrazcgp t1_j20gioj wrote

your copy is indeed "you" and thinks it's "you". if you met your copy and told it you are the original, would it care? Probably not, now there are two of you, but the copy will always know it's not the original, its different, even if its the perfect copy, you two will always be different in many ways

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TheUmgawa t1_j20hues wrote

Will it, though? Let's say that somewhere in the past, you had a medical emergency and they had to put you under. While you were under, they copied your memories and whatever passes for consciousness into a new body, and then they pulled the plug on the old one. And then, when you wake up, they say, "It's a miracle! The doctors managed to get all of your organs going again, and they say you've got another forty years."

In that scenario, where everyone is lying to you (or perhaps the doctors are lying to everyone), how would the replacement know it wasn't the original? As far as it's concerned, it went to sleep and then it woke up.

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alcatrazcgp t1_j20i396 wrote

yeah, you still died, your imposter just replaced you, what's your point? you don't care that you'll be killed and replaced by your copy?

idk about you but that sounds like a massive crime if that were to ever happen

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TheUmgawa t1_j20lq2r wrote

Is it, though? Because as far as you're concerned, you're still alive? You can even testify at the murder trial, "No, your honor, that couldn't be murder because I'm right here. Go ahead, ask me anything about my life."

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alcatrazcgp t1_j20m3kr wrote

so what if you get cloned, and the clone insists it wants to destroy the imposter, the imposter being you, even though you are original, but how can they tell? what if he remembers more than you in the moment about your own life? and you are terminated?

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TheUmgawa t1_j20mtq1 wrote

What happens in international waters stays in international waters. If I'm running a combination human cloning lab and monkey knife fighting arena, that's my business. Why should everyone live by your sense of morality? What makes your sense of morality any better than anyone else's?

And, honestly, why would either one of them say, "I have to destroy the other! I am the original"? That's like some garbage out of a bad sci-fi movie. Please don't consider being a writer.

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