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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j202qhc wrote

Reply to comment by MrZwink in 11 years ago Michio Kaku talked about mind upload into Machine - Big Think by keghi11

I think it’s very possible given CPU architecture if you do the entire snapshot with one clock cycle.

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MrZwink t1_j208zby wrote

You would need to know where electrons are and what they are doing in the processor. And you run into the same problem.

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20aais wrote

everything happens in discrete clock cycles, at any moment you can know where every bit of data is inside of a CPU, the transfer only happens during the next clock cycle in which the bits move around, of course, humans are analogue so that is much more complex, but with computers I see it as already feasible.

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MrZwink t1_j20bkon wrote

Humans and computers are both complex chains of quantum interactions. It is impossible to separate the computer (or human) from it's quantum states.

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20ce8p wrote

The information within a computer is stored in gates, it isn’t on the micro scale of quantum events. You do not need to know what is going on in the atomic realm of a computer to understand it’s transfer of data, it is completely deterministic. Accept this as fact in regards to computers as this is a fully understood construct we created.

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MrZwink t1_j20gart wrote

Then what is a random bit flip?

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20hgxj wrote

Bit flips are random but are very unlikely to occur in the millisecond it would require to transfer all stored registers into another computer. Also if you transferred the data underground and in low temperature the chances are essentially 0 here. Computers are extremely simple machines when you look at the components.

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MrZwink t1_j20hmht wrote

But WHAT are they?

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20j9qr wrote

Computers are just the logic of transistors in order to perform arithmetic. It’s in binary because a transistor can either be off or on in the digital sense. If we we’re talking about analog you’d have somewhat of a point but because computers work in either 0 or 1 this isn’t the case. If you look at a cpu architecture video you’ll see just how simple they are and how easily this idea of transferring every state in a computer all at once could be done.

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MrZwink t1_j20m0jb wrote

They're usually quantum interactions interfering with the computers operation. Usually nutritions

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20pjme wrote

With the amount of quantum you are spilling out computers shouldn’t work at all.

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MrZwink t1_j20rskb wrote

What are you on about, computers work on quantum principles...

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20shbq wrote

Quantum quantum quantum, a transistor is ON or OFF, the only quantum thing here is quantum tunneling and that is only a problem in the development of smaller transistor sizes. My expertise is in this and you keep spilling quantum out like it changes the register values. Register values remain the same, you obviously have no idea how the inside of a computer works nor digital logic if you are going to say quantum mechanics makes duplicating all the states within a computer impossible. It isn’t how much liquid is in a tank, it’s whether there is x amount of liquid in a tank to reach the threshold of whether it’s a 1 or a 0, 1 or 0, we build computers that have a processing speed of 10^18 calculations per second, none of what you are saying applies in reality.

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MrZwink t1_j20tvw0 wrote

A transtor is a semi conductor. It moves electrons through a semipermeable barrier. This is an interaction at a quantum level. The smaller you make them the more prone to quantum tunneling they become. So no a transistor is not on or off, 0.001% of the time it's both or neither.

There are safeguards in place in computers to check for random bit flips because it is needed. It's called hashing.

Im not saying computers don't work. I'm saying a computer is a machine that processes information on a quantum level. And it is impossible to separate the computer from it's quantum interactions. Heisenbergs uncertainty principle applies wether you want it or not.

You cannot build a house without bricks.

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Desperate_Food7354 t1_j20xvsi wrote

I could transfer every bit in my 8 bit computer in a single clock cycle no problem. Computers work in discrete time increments with no uncertainty to when the crystal oscillator will be on or off.

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