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Neil_Live-strong t1_j0kx8c5 wrote

Pessimism and optimism are emotions, not a philosophy. And when I look at what is being proposed here and based off of my life experience and how these types of operations have gone before, I am pessimistic. My first question is, what do you think the goal is here in relation to climate change?

And now to the substance. What some animals are able to do by converting grass and vegetation into vitamin rich meat is nothing short of amazing. What some humans do by taking part in a relationship that predates our species is nothing short of spiritual. This is fake. It’s not “milk” or “meat” or whatever you are trying to pretend it is. It’s something else trying to mimic those things. And that is devastating to the human spirit, as are mass production farms and feed lots. But you can’t help the human spirit by killing it in another way. So all of this farmland gets converted into nature, then what, a pass is needed to access it? All this farmland is taken away with “sticks”, then what? Families that have farmed for generations are told to just find something else to do under threat of fines. That’s not compassionate at all and sets the foundation for this project on a sinkhole. The claim is this is to help humanity and we have to do that by really screwing over some humans. Lies are the nails that build a house of failure.

Like I said pessimism is an emotion, and it’s disingenuous to ignore pessimistic emotions about the future and not address some of the problems related to this technology.

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thisimpetus t1_j0lmikn wrote

For someone who entered this conversation with a reasonable point, that pessimism is not philosophy, it's pretty incredible how rapidly this went entirely off the rails into the land of utter, utter nonsense.

And to be clear, I've been a devout Buddhist for twenty years, I take no issue with spirituality; I take enormous issue with nonsense.

We don't want or care about "milk", we want a particular flavour, texture and nutrient profile with a feasible ecological footprint. Your projecting emotion and ideology into protein synthesis is ridiculous behaviour that has no bearing in reality whatsoever.

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Weed_Exterminator t1_j19rcnj wrote

To think you could simply impose your will on people with generations of work invested, without push-back, is what I would consider “utter nonsense”.

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