say-whaaaaaaaaaaaaat t1_ixariwn wrote
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Didn’t white Americans deny most of these ideals to non-whites for most of the nation’s history?
AngryWookiee t1_ixav2zu wrote
Yes they did, but you are forgetting that Americans also fought to change those things and were successful. Non land owners can now vote, women can vote now, black people are no longer slaves, women no longer are confided to the kitchen. It was was a long hard fight for those things for sure, but it just goes to prove that America is capable of change. There is reason people literally risk their lives to come to the USA and other European counties every year.
say-whaaaaaaaaaaaaat t1_ixavy2h wrote
Totally correct. Progressive ideals planted in the gilded age bore fruit for many repressed and under represented Americans.
What I don’t understand how you think there’s something uniquely white about social advancement, given how hard many white people fought against such change?
Do you consider America to be a white nation?
AngryWookiee t1_ixb3x49 wrote
First of all I should clarify that I am not an American, I was pointing out that soon white people in the USA would also be a minority.
I do not consider America a white country but it was founded by white people from England, I am not sure how we can pretend otherwise. The constitution and the laws that exist today were also made by those very same founders.
I don't know how we can pretend that those very laws/rights that fought for minority's to vote, etc. did not have the support of the population, which unfortunately is/was white. How many white people marched in black lives matter? How many white people were okay with the civil war to free the slaves? Do you think it would have happened if the majority of population didn't support it? Do you think women and minorities voting would have ever happened if majority of population didn't support it?
Its unfortunate that America was founded by white people, but it was. The constitution was unfortunately written by white people too. Minority's and women were treated badly in American history (although not unique to America). The thing is that American as whole came together and changed those things. If the people that control America in the future don't uphold the ideals of the constitution and laws that came before then it was all for nothing.
I don't know why you don't believe that the people coming to the US in future may not uphold the same laws and ideals that Americans do today. Look at how poorly integration is going Europe, which is the primary reason that European politics if moving to the right. What happens when somebody with those extreme views gets political power?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/13/violent-extremism-migrants-failure-to-integrate-eu
Comfortable_Dirt t1_ixd38q9 wrote
Why is it unfortunate America was founded by White people? What the fuck?
AngryWookiee t1_ixdl4ee wrote
Because the guy I was responding to said "white Americans deny most of these ideals to non-whites for most of the nation’s history". It's white guilt I guess.
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