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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_iwzrfia wrote

Reply to comment by NihiliSloth in Workplace brain scanning to make employees happier and more productive by BotJunkie

Indeed, human beings are not machines and never will be, which is precisely why it’s a moral imperative to replace human labour with robot labour wherever possible.

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DaPretzelBoi t1_iwzw7z7 wrote

We need systems in place to allow people to get by fine without jobs before we get too far into automating them and reduce the number of jobs available. Capitalists are vehemently opposed to such an idea.

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kraemahz t1_ix066nb wrote

We do need those things, they likely will not happen without it being bad for quite a while to the point that those resisting it have no choice.

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix0fn0v wrote

Bingo. A short period of suffering is necessary to compel the people to demand UBI and not take no for an answer.

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix0fk8r wrote

Yes, it’s called UBI, which would follow a steep loss of jobs because the people would demand it, whether by the ballot, wallet, or bullet. This would be paid for by taxing automation.

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Artanthos t1_ix26fs0 wrote

Or people will be shoveled into barracks style dormitories, fed very basic meals in cafeterias, and any resistance will be summarily put down by much better armed police.

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix27hlc wrote

At that point why not just execute 90% of humans?

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Artanthos t1_ix7p8eb wrote

People like to believe they are good.

With the solution above, the wealthy will be able to legitimately state that they provided food, clothing, and shelter to the unemployed masses.

It just won’t be what you are asking for. It will also be far better than the conditions experienced by the poor in Victorian England, where the wealthy thought they were doing good by helping the poor and the orphans.

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NihiliSloth t1_ix0vrp7 wrote

But will we still rely heavily on money and capitalism being put above everything else? Because that’ll take away a lot of jobs people need in order to eat and keep a roof over their heads. Will everything still be so expensive if human labor is replaced by robots? Cause we could knock out most of the workforce with retail, warehouse, and food industries. Robots can do all of those jobs. But what happens to the people who lose their jobs? Or will money be a non issue? Will people be taught different skills? Will other jobs be more desirable? Will there be enough of those jobs? Or will society have to be restructured and people will have to live a different kind of life?

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YeetThePig t1_ix109g8 wrote

In all likelihood, we’re going to cling to capitalism because the wealthy and powerful demand it, decay into full-blown fascism propped up by automation and resource wars, mass extermination of the poor and unemployed where possible (through either violence or willful neglect), and when that inevitably no longer remains feasible, total collapse of society. Should our species and a sufficient amount of technology survive that, there’s definitely a slim chance at a civilized AI-enabled humanity to emerge from the ashes.

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NihiliSloth t1_ix10h5a wrote

Yeah and that’s the problem. Fuck capitalism.

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YeetThePig t1_ix11oh5 wrote

Yeah, I would concur that that would be the rational response. Unfortunately, we’re not a rational species to begin with, and the political and economic power are all concentrated in the hands of particularly irrational sociopaths. So as a result, humanity gets to witness what happens when the unstoppable force of automation-driven capitalism meets the immovable object of human needs.

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NihiliSloth t1_ix149vn wrote

Yeah someone else on this thread questioned why I think CEO’s and other extremely wealthy people are psychopaths. It’s because they are. People don’t obtain that amount of money and power by being nice and giving to people. They obtain it because they take what they want, regardless if they hurt people or not. And oftentimes it does involve hurting people. They simply do not care. They only stop when someone else keeps them in check due to illegal activity. But some people have enough wealth and power they can just pay their way out of situations and they are exempt from the law.

People like the person questioning me (who think the workings of large corporations is completely okay) will never get it because they are a part of the problem. They lack sympathy and empathy for what’s really transpiring. They fail to realize that humans are meant to work together, not against each other. And when we do work against each other, in the end, it will only lead to failure. History repeats itself time and time again. People refuse to learn.

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YeetThePig t1_ix17j80 wrote

Yep.

“Great Filter, dead ahead, cap’n!” “Excellent! Hold course and accelerate to flanking speed!”

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Artanthos t1_ix26we0 wrote

Total collapse of society is unlikely.

If society eliminates most of the lower and mid classes while maintaining production it would create abundance for the upper classes.

It would suck to be a part of society that is no longer needed, but it will be the upper classes that write the history books.

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix1dk5k wrote

UBI for 90%, intellectual jobs for 10%.

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NihiliSloth t1_ix1eday wrote

Right. But where does that leave the 90% of people who are unemployed? What does the world look like? I’m all for using robots for everything as long as it doesn’t give the wealthy more power and it doesn’t screw everyone else over.

We would need complete restructuring of our societies. One that is not based on capitalism. Do you think the wealthy will seriously want to let go of that power?

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix1hpuy wrote

Well, the 90% unemployed would just receive that UBI money and live their lives as they see fit, I suppose.

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Z3r0sama2017 t1_ix0yn2v wrote

Thats what the wealthy think too. Throw us on the junk heap and let the useless mouths die off so they can get whatever small bits of resources we had managed to hodl.

For them the momentary feeling of satisfaction looking down on us will be immediately crushed by their insatiable greed.

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WEN_QONHIUNG t1_ix1dsar wrote

Getting rid of the folks who consume their products doesn’t sound very intuitive to me…

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Z3r0sama2017 t1_ix2s07z wrote

They don't need consumers. They will have the all resources and AI/robotic workers will do the work while they live in paradise.

By getting rid of consumers they remove an unneccessary step. Money is unneccessary if no goods are being exchanged.

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