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NLCmanure OP t1_iy5mm4k wrote

I have to wonder how many prisoner transport vans throughout CT have been updated with seatbelts since this incident. Every time I read about this it makes me sick.

Why nobody thought about safety measures in these vans long ago makes me wonder how smart some are.

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silasmoeckel t1_iy5wccd wrote

Considering the UK did that awhile ago. Can't blame the officers for using the tools they were given thats the city's fault. Can blame them for the treatment at the lockup and the driver for leaving against protocol.

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MyGodItsFullOfClowns t1_iy69czl wrote

The driver was also speeding which was definitely a contributing factor. Speed limits suck but if we have to obey them those that enforce them do too.

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silasmoeckel t1_iy8jzc2 wrote

Nearly 30 years ago built parts of a system that would track state police cars while working for the DOT. Unions fought it so it was never implemented, it would have flagged any car speeding without it's lights on or sitting about but not checked out as off patrol. Cops speed a LOT, they also seem to sit in strange parking lots for hours.

That all said dont think that 11mph made the difference in the guy getting paralyzed.

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DicNavis t1_iy8mntq wrote

I want to know why he had to stop that hard. Was he distracted somehow and reacted late?

11 MPH is a much bigger deal in a large van with an unrestrained person in the back than it is in a passenger car, though. Source: have driven ambulances and been the unrestrained person working in the back.

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silasmoeckel t1_iy93koo wrote

I have no way of knowing. But dont think anybody can say conclusively if they were only going 11mph slower this would not have happened. Other police forces have delt with the same issue and went lets outfit vehicals in a safe manner.

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DicNavis t1_iy974ie wrote

It’s a hard case to argue that it was criminally negligent, but the differences between 25 and 36, 30 and 41 in those types of vehicles are considerable in comparison to a passenger car where everyone is seated and restrained. Just that little bit of speeding greatly increased the likelihood of having to make a hard stop, and like I said, I’m still very suspicious that the officer was either distracted or following too closely or something.

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MyGodItsFullOfClowns t1_iy8op5r wrote

It's impossible to prove absolutely but injuries are funny that way, the difference between a bruise and death is the force of the hit.

In this case you are talking kinetic energy. The formula to figure it out is .5mv^2 and 35 mph is twice the energy as 25 mph.

At 25 the cop imight have been able to brake softer. Even if he still had to slam the brakes Cox might have kept his seat. Even if he didn't hitting the wall with half the energy might have been only a bruise. Watch the video, he flew into it.

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silasmoeckel t1_iy932o8 wrote

End of the day the root cause was a poorly designed vehicle with well known issues. I would not particularly fault the driver, not to the extent of something criminal.

Now what happened after, not seeking care for the prisoner and what happened at the lock up I can fault them for and that realy exceeds a couple misdemeanor counts they are currently charging them with.

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MyGodItsFullOfClowns t1_iybcsxe wrote

What happened after goes to state of mind. The driver just DGAF if Cox was injured. If he had rushed to aid and called and ambulance and such it would have shown it was absolutely an accident but the repeated disregard for Cox shows the driver just didn't care.

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silasmoeckel t1_iycp7ih wrote

I look at it as thus the city should be on the hook for paralysing the guy it's their vehicle without basic safety devices.

These guys are guilty of mistreating a badly injured prisoner after that and should lose their jobs over it.

I dont like how it looking that they want to pile the blame on the cops to give the city an out.

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WhittlingDan t1_iy83t8f wrote

I'm sure some people thought about it, unfortunately many just didn't care and ignored them.

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sjsmac t1_iy5ubky wrote

Why so many hyphens?

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NLCmanure OP t1_iy7to7v wrote

I copied directly from the link since the title didn't autocomplete and didn't delete the hyphens because I was lazy.

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TreeEleben t1_iy5vu7p wrote

Misdemeanors. Thats disgusting. Probably won't be convicted either.

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mischavus618 t1_iy7x4jk wrote

Take my upvote!

Shouldn’t be misdemeanors!

They are all still getting paid.

Criminal Investigation lead to arrests but employment is still pending?!?!

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AncientBellybutton t1_iyb0fex wrote

If they get paid just in case they're innocent, it's only fair and logical that they should have to return the money if they are convicted.

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gewehr44 t1_iy8lxyj wrote

Plea deals with no jail time.

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mischavus618 t1_iy9ggca wrote

Even without pleas, they won’t serve jail time. Fuckers!

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AncientBellybutton t1_iyb0hpb wrote

As someone who once went to prison in Connecticut just for $50 worth of drugs, seeing cops do things like this to people and avoiding jail time makes me want to become an anarchist.

If different people are not held accountable to the same law, then the law doesn't functionally exist anyway.

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mischavus618 t1_iycpvy9 wrote

Do any laws function appropriately? I don’t believe so.

$50 worth of drugs shouldn’t equate to jail. Absolutely not.

I’m sorry the system failed you!

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CrazyKSCatLady t1_iy6m0vm wrote

Why-is-it-typed-like-this?

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NLCmanure OP t1_iy7tljy wrote

I copied directly from the link since the title didn't autocomplete and didn't delete the hyphens because I was lazy.

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Correct-Potential25 t1_iy6ri5x wrote

The video was actually sickening. I watched it once and cant do it again.

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QueenOfQuok t1_iy6xpse wrote

Why-is-the-headline-written-like-this

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WhittlingDan t1_iy841mh wrote

Why is everyone so bothered by this? Looks like the link text was used instead of an actual title.

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jlevnhv t1_iy8568r wrote

Makes you wonder how many times this happened before we had videos and there were absolutely no consequences.

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babyfartmageezax t1_iy97w25 wrote

I was in Jail when this happened, it was pretty scary thinking that it could have been any of us on our way there. Glad to see appropriate measures are being taken

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hamhead t1_iy6rt8e wrote

That's a lot of hyphens

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EasyE0287 t1_iy9bzkt wrote

Article suggests lawsuit against these officers was filed in federal court, and not State court. Officers are claiming federal law qualified immunity covers them, and unfortunately they may be correct. QI needs to be removed at the national level.

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briang71 t1_iy5qgme wrote

The state cop Brian North, who got arrested for shooting the guy after the car chase. NOT WARRANTED..

These guys, on the other hand, totally deserve to be charged. The accident part with the van is one thing, that wasn't on purpose. But how they treated him after... that deserve it.

I'm all for law and order, but when I see shit like that, no way.

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Nyrfan2017 t1_iy62jly wrote

Not to get into a pissing match .. the north situation he reacted when no other cop around that car did .. also they had him pinned and he was going no where til this day it blows my mind how they all got out and just ran to that car.. legit that video of north should be shown in all training classes of slow down and look at the scene .

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UNBANNABLEANDBASED t1_iy96fb0 wrote

I thought they were all white supremacists?

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mohawkmoose12 t1_iy9ln2s wrote

No. Just a disproportionate number. But that doesn't mean that the police don't also have a power complex issue. The two can exist in the same system at the same time.

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mmafan567 t1_iy60h77 wrote

Property taxes about to go up in New Haven

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roo-ster t1_iy64awp wrote

Cops, not taxpayers, should have to pay for their malpractice.

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mmafan567 t1_iy64eo8 wrote

Agreed but not how it works at the moment

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WhittlingDan t1_iy84j7f wrote

Then what's the point of your comment? If your not advocating for personal responsibility/liability of officers what are you trying to say?

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Kraz_I t1_iy6ky97 wrote

If this has to do with unsafe transport vans with no seatbelts, then there's moral culpability not only to the cops, but the department, the state, suppliers, who knows? As for who foots the bill, probably just the state.

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WhittlingDan t1_iy84vtn wrote

Some people don't think cops should be accountable for their actions, especially if that accountability might cost them a couple dollars. Those same people tend to not see problems in the behavior of the police..

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Shellsbells821 t1_iy851t5 wrote

There should have been some kind of restraint in the van. But, I'm sure it would have been considered inhumane. Win some. Lose some.

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Sorry_Drama5772 t1_iy5u86z wrote

At least it's a very diverse mugshot collection, I'll give them that.

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mischavus618 t1_iy7xayr wrote

Stop. Please.

That plays no role in this discussion.

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dicksmcgee420 t1_iy821bz wrote

I don’t really care what you guys talk about but I do find it greatly amusing when people start conversations in public forums and then try to dictate how that conversation goes.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_iy7y1nf wrote

It doesn’t?

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mischavus618 t1_iy7y4hl wrote

No.

Humanity does though. Professionalism also.

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CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_iy7yq4e wrote

Ok. No need to downvote a simple question.

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mischavus618 t1_iy80v7g wrote

I didn’t downvote you because I don’t agree with this “behind the scenes” bullshit of downvoting. I commented instead seeing as I prefer to let people know I don’t agree.

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