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Goingone t1_iug8lif wrote

They do tax us based on the number of toilets we have. How do you think they do property tax assessments?

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Plants_Golf_Cooking t1_iugb22n wrote

Unnecessary luxury items get taxed, and I would imagine this includes unnecessary luxuries like animals. I pay to register my dog. Horses and ponies require land that is unproductive for any other purpose, and unless you are doing pre-industrial style farming then I imagine you are not using them as draft animals.

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CTisCool t1_iugbfaq wrote

Reason being if we make x- non necessity more expensive with taxes less people will own it. If only rich people own horses the lesser chance is that they will need to use public services for it.

People owning dogs and cats or actually any other animal should be required to commit to taxation. Majority of cat or dog owners are unable to pay $100 extra for vaccinations or vet visit. Vets often have to euthanize animals because owners leave them at the clinic and cannot pay even for a simple $200-$400 procedure. I’m so grateful that before going to vet school my parents had me volunteer at the vets office, this explains high suicide rates among veterinary staff.

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Stop_Already t1_iugeb5k wrote

Who usually owns horses/ponies?

People who can afford to pay a tax on horses and ponies.

That’s why there’s a tax on them.

It’s a luxury tax.

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buried_lede t1_iugedqr wrote

Doesn’t it come from race horses? I know they tax racehorses, so, your Shetland ponies get it too. Just in case you race them, lol.

For what it’s worth, it sounds like a dumb tax. It’s like taxing my dog or cat

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no-name-is-free t1_iugqt1y wrote

My parking space is taxed, to my condo... which i pay property tax on, and bought as a single thing that oncluded a parking space. so I have no doubt that anything that cam be will be someday.

How much for your dog license? Cat license or anything else.... Makes no sense

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ThePermafrost t1_iugwyh9 wrote

Replying to CTisCool (#367,549)

My dog was hit by a car and it was an $8,000 out of pocket medical bill. While we were in the ER room with him we saw another family come in with a very pregnant Chihuahua. From what we overheard the mother couldn’t give a natural birth and needed a C section, which the family wasn’t willing/couldn’t pay for. They ended up taking the dog away without treatment. I cringe to think what the family ended up doing… cutting up their own dog to save the puppies or letting the mother and puppies both die.

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Justinontheinternet t1_iugxz9b wrote

CT tax you to death and double tax on what you already paid taxes on state.

It’s literally why we have to pay car taxes every year. Can’t wait to move to a tax free state.

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blaze1234 t1_iuh2xza wrote

There need not be any "user pays" aspect that is neoliberal BS.

the state needs revenue, that is the justification

Now if horses could help people get away from using cars...

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maggie_truffles t1_iuhhtib wrote

I often joke that CT will eventually tax you on how many houseplants you have. I at one time said we would be taxes because we breath the air… but now they’ve added a “clean air tax” to our registration so they kinda have done that…. We are basically taxed on how many dogs you have too… it’s the “license fee”. It’s hard to come up with anything you aren’t taxed on.

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wholepailofwater t1_iuhlp6y wrote

And yet we have so many people living here that there is a housing shortage. No one is forcing anyone to stay. Pennsyltuckyhomasippi awaits. They don't even pay a fair share of Federal taxes. Society is more than a collection of individuals. Humans are still trying to figure it out, but everyone must contribute. Don't like the tax structure? Come up with a solution. Complaining solves nothing.

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Ds87878 t1_iuhon2n wrote

Replying to Plants_Golf_Cooking (#367,442)

You’d be wrong then. On both accounts. Great work. In fact. Pastureland can be tax exempt by deeming it open space. I pull logs with my horses and work my cattle around with them. They are farm equipment.

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Plants_Golf_Cooking t1_iuht591 wrote

Replying to Ds87878 (#380,181)

And though that is great for you, I have my doubts OP is using her ponies as draft animals. But I’m open to the possibility of being wrong. And I’m sorry, are we talking about tax-exempt pasture land or the ponies on that land, because I could have sworn we were talking about animals, not land. Again though, open to being wrong. Great work on your response though.

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Plants_Golf_Cooking t1_iuhua2j wrote

Replying to PettyWitch (#380,524)

That is what I’m looking for. Firstly, I congratulate you on using them as proper draft animals. Still, to your original question though; the god’s honest truth is I can’t see a reason why they wouldn’t be taxed. Government needs to raise money, so things get taxed; property of all kind including horses. Frankly, it makes more sense to me for a government to raise money taxing a horse than someone’s labour, but that is just me. However, it seems that one’s used exclusively for labour/farming are exempted from that tax, at least according to this link I found:

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0473.htm#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20states%2C%20including,assess%20horses%20for%20property%20taxes.&text=Connecticut%20law%20treats%20horses%20as,of%20their%20fair%20market%20value.

So if they are not used exclusively or even primarily for farming then I can certainly see how they constitute more as a “luxury”.

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Ds87878 t1_iuhwawa wrote

Replying to IndicationOver (#380,502)

Those are wildly different. CC membership is way more expensive. My horses eat my grass. I grow my own hay. They don’t eat grain. My cost to keep them minus vet bills annually is practically 0

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PTunia t1_iuhxvhu wrote

.....The toilet paper is next. WAIT. It already is taxed in CT.

Joking aside, I have a question regarding buying EVs. I understand that there is a luxury tax in CT on vehicles over 50K. How will people take to that?

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Athrynne t1_iui0yxc wrote

I dunno, I have to pay a license fee to the city each year for my dog, why not a horse?

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Athrynne t1_iui4gw8 wrote

In a more serious note, I looked it up, and this is what CT says about horses:

>Connecticut law treats horses as personal property, requiring municipalities to assess them at 70% of their fair market value. But it exempts those used exclusively for farming from the tax and exempts the first $1,000 of assessed value for horses used for other purposes

So, if a horse is an actual working animal, it's exempt or discounted. If it isn't, it's taxed. Makes sense to me, my family owned ponies when I was growing up, and the only reason they were affordable was because we had property they could live on for free. My aunt does dressage, and it is not cheap, it's absolutely a luxury hobby.

Edit: mobile formating fail

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PettyWitch t1_iui75pu wrote

Replying to Stop_Already (#384,544)

Yeah but my car uses the roads which require maintenance. My ponies just sit on my property with no contact with the outside world. I also have a septic system and well water, so it's not even like they could say this is causing excess sewage somehow.

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Plants_Golf_Cooking t1_iui8s9o wrote

Replying to PettyWitch (#386,051)

I could very much be mistaken, but that seems related to business matters, as in the property of a business, for this purpose to include furniture. Again, I could be misinterpreting the form, however if not that does seem like extra senseless scraping by the state.

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Plants_Golf_Cooking t1_iui96zu wrote

When I was a little girl in Poland, we all had ponies. My sister had pony, my cousin had pony. So, what’s wrong with that? He was a beautiful pony. And I loved him!

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PettyWitch t1_iui98fr wrote

Replying to Plants_Golf_Cooking (#386,277)

Nope, it is also property on your personal residence. Unaffixed property. So you might want to get this sorted out with your town, you know, do your part.

"In Connecticut, personal property taxes are paid by individuals and companies that have property that is not permanently affixed to or part of real estate.

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PettyWitch t1_iuiaeyq wrote

Replying to Stop_Already (#368,337)

Actually so the pony thing isn't a luxury tax it's a personal property tax. And all of us individuals in CT are supposed to be paying taxes on all of our personal property, from couches to computers, assessed at 70% of market value. So I hope you're paying your taxes.

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mynameisnotshamus t1_iuihpdv wrote

Replying to Justinontheinternet (#373,656)

What state is tax free? They may not tax you for your vehicle yearly but they’re getting money from you one way or another. Also, chances are that magical state not taxing you has many shortcomings due to that decreased revenue.

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maybe_little_pinch t1_iuintgl wrote

Replying to PettyWitch (#388,550)

You are missing that it is about business related items. You aren't getting taxed for your couch. But if you have a farm stand on your property and you sell vegetables, you should be paying tax on that. It says "business related" and then a list of items. You are reading that sentence wrong.

If you own luxury items like a horse, snowmobile, ATV, etc. those are also taxed.

If your ponies were used as work animals they would be exempt. The fact that you occasionally use them as work animals does not count. It would like me trying to write off my truck as a work vehicle because I occasionally haul stuff.

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