Submitted by teedotjay39 t3_zighgt in ColumbiaMD

Looking to relocate to MD from CA. I’m aware there will be snow and cold winters along with a host of other things to get acclimated to. Just looking for honest feedback from those who know what the vibe of Columbia is like. Fun facts-I’m an RN, chill vibe, will get out mainly on the weekends for errands or time with friends. 1 friend is in another part of MD, another in VA. Job location within MD is to be determined… so any commentary on MD traffic is also appreciated.

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Wx_Justin t1_izrdytl wrote

Most people drive into DC or Baltimore for work, so rush hour can be a pain. I believe the interstate 95 corridor in MD/VA has the second worst traffic in the nation, right behind Los Angeles. The average commute time is about 40 minutes or so, based on the last report I saw.

Columbia is a great place to be, though. Nearly equidistant to Baltimore and DC if you want to get out and explore as well.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsbyvt wrote

This is helpful! Over my years of nursing, I’ve dealt with varying commutes but obviously I don’t know MD traffic. What would a drive from Columbia to Annapolis look like?

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opiusmaximus2 t1_izscucw wrote

Columbia to Annapolis is about 35 minutes down 32 without traffic.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsd5pi wrote

Not terrible, alright! This is helpful. Really appreciate it.

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inline4addict t1_izsftc9 wrote

That’s without traffic. Annapolis only has 2 highways but only one (I-97) is accessible from Columbia. The other highway is only accessible from PG County/NOVA. That means 97 is the only highway for the entire Baltimore Metro region. Traffic will vary but it can get real ugly. It’s the only highway for people and it’s only 2 lanes. Trips can be as fast as 35 minutes but it usually takes an hour in rush hour traffic. More if there’s an accident.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsg1l3 wrote

I see ok. This helps!

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inline4addict t1_izsge48 wrote

No problem! I should add that Annapolis is on the Chesapeake bay so it’s out of the way from most places you go to. 97 only goes from Annapolis to Baltimore. It’s easy for it to get bottlenecked.

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kitkatlaugh t1_izt9iod wrote

Have done the commute from Columbia area to Annapolis area to get to work at 0700, and the traffic is not bad at that time in the morning. With a nursing schedule I think you should be good.

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corranhorn6565 t1_izs2svf wrote

Recently bought a single family home in Columbia. Walking around the trails everyone is super friendly. I do carry pepper spray just because some peoples dogs don't give me the most super friendly or in control vibe. Not sure what the apartments/townhome situations are like.

Depending on where your friends live in MD and VA it could be difficult to go to their places. Check Google maps and us the set or arrive feature at a time/date to get a good idea on traffic. DC has lots of great activities. Baltimore the same. Also Annapolis, Frederick, Ellicott city. As others have said close enough for a weekend trip to some small/medium ski resorts or state parks in the mountains. Same for ocean city, Rehoboth, assateague or Chincoteague for beaches (traffic to the beaches is miserable in the summer, take advantage of your nursing schedule to travel at off peak times).

I've lived in MD my whole life, all over the state and there are great places to live with varying advantages and disadvantages everywhere. Traffic, neighborhood safety, cost of living, work options vary greatly. We really are a u.s. in miniature.

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noblemintlad t1_izsao0g wrote

Pepper spray for dogs?

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corranhorn6565 t1_izsbian wrote

Yea I don't know how effective it would be. I've been walking 3 or 4 times and had dogs pull towards me in a non friendly way. Depending on the owner it seems like they don't exactly have control. Occasionally, children holding leashes for dogs larger than them.

I've been bit by a dog before so I'm probably just not trusting. Everyone's dog is the most friendly loving playful thing. Until it isn't. That being said on the flip side there are a good number of really well trained dogs walking around.

P.s. I have owned and intend to own dogs again. Just saying people in general don't necessarily have well trained, adjusted, non reactive dogs.

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S4mm1 t1_izskeof wrote

I have a very very reactive rescue and the number of terrible dog owners in Columbia is the worst I've ever encountered. I have to carry pepper spray too because of people's out of control animals. People with friendly dogs often don't train them well, I guess because they don't think it's a big deal.

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Wx_Justin t1_izsviaq wrote

The owners at the dog parks are the worst. They sit there and pretend nothing is happening when their dog is harassing other dogs, and then they have the audacity to tell you to leave when the other dog has had enough

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsc76e wrote

Thanks so much! I’d mainly be looking to head to my friends on weekends so hopefully my time wouldn’t be as crucial.

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corranhorn6565 t1_izscs8t wrote

Ok great! Also, if you are living within a few miles of your work you should be able to get their without too much hassle. I would not work at a hospital in downtown Baltimore or DC and expect to have a fun time getting there from Columbia. The major traffic roads are 95, bw parkway (295), 32, 197 then both DC beltway (495) and Baltimore beltway.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsd30e wrote

Ah ok. So it may be good to look for work closer. How about driving to Annapolis from Columbia?

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stoofy t1_izsekuz wrote

That'd be out rt 32. The area between 95 and Ft Meade (Army base in the area) can get really congested, as can 97 down into Annapolis. Light traffic -and depending on your start/end points - probably around 30 minutes. Rush hour, more like 50 (but can vary).

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsfliy wrote

This is helpful. I ask about Annapolis specifically only because my current company in CA has a location there, but I don’t know that I wanna live in Annapolis.

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corranhorn6565 t1_izsncpf wrote

One other note Annapolis is expensive. I'm new to Columbia so I don't know everything, but a lot of people love it and we chose to buy here. Howard and Montgomery counties are really diverse. Painting with a broad brush, its less diverse the closer to Annapolis you get and headig further south or east. I've heard good things about odenton and Crofton. Laurel seems more hit or miss in terms of safety. Prince Georges county has some hit more miss locales too. South of Anne Arundel county and you get rural quickly. Same with north and west of Ellicott city.

Come visit! We have crab cakes and old bay! Direct flights from LAX to BWI are a thing.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsnlzf wrote

Appreciate the feedback. I’m actually planning a trip next month, yes in the winter lol, jumping in with both feet so I can see how I manage.

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corranhorn6565 t1_izsng9d wrote

Yea 32 between 95 and bw parkway is not fun. Those 4-5 miles are the slowest of my afternoon commute

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corranhorn6565 t1_izsdx04 wrote

I would highly suggest living as close to work as you can find an affordable safe place to live. I have not done Annapolis/Columbia commute. As long as there isn't an accident on 97/32 you should be about 40-60 minutes. Personally I'd try and live closer to Annapolis.

Do you have kids, S/O tagging along?

What characteristics are you looking for in a community?

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izsffhj wrote

That would be my goal, as close as possible. My main goal in a community is safety, which may mean driving into work. I like an urban feel without city congestion. Drivable distance to errands and good eats, diversity, and proximity to friends.

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Izzybee543 t1_izt1gyk wrote

Why not live in Annapolis? The historic part is super cute, lots of places to walk and things to do. Columbia is as suburban as it gets. If you live in Columbia, there are walking paths for exercise but they don’t go to any real destination - just tot lots. If you like a city feel, you might be bored in Columbia. You will be driving every time you want to do something.

I love Columbia, I was born there, went to Howard County schools my whole life, have never lived more than 10 miles away. We do a lot of driving 20 minutes, it’s hard to meet new people, and you don’t get much space/land of your own. There are lots of rules to keep it suburban, nice and safe, fitting in, being a middle class person. If you like that, come visit!

I suggest visiting in Spring. That’s a nice time in Maryland. This time of year is kinda gray and damp. But there’s Christmas lights and displays if you come before the end of the year.

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AKnitWit777 t1_izs9hx3 wrote

Columbia itself is very diverse and relatively laid back. The aforementioned trails are great and there are plenty of thing to do in the area or not far in the DC/Baltimore metro areas.

There are some restaurant gems in Columbia and Ellicott City, so please don't limit yourself to chain restaurants. Ditto for other small businesses.

Snow and cold weather come with the territory, but spring and fall are absolutely glorious. We tough out the 1-2 months of really cold weather and 1-2 months of really hot weather and make the most of the rest of the time when the weather is really nice. There's plenty to do inside, too, so if you have a hobby, whether it's pickleball, basketball, watercolor painting, or origami, there's bound to be a group here that does it or class that teaches it.

People are generally friendly and you can stick to yourself or find your people.

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Connerpro01 t1_izsvt1c wrote

I recently just moved from Florida where “winter” doesn’t exist. Does it get much colder than it is now and when does it snow?

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AKnitWit777 t1_izsxxv0 wrote

It will get a little colder than it is now, but the super cold temps (20s) don’t usually last too long. We natives hate the really cold weather too.

It can snow anytime from now until late March, but usually the big snows are in late Jan into early March.

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FineWinePaperCup t1_izsy4sl wrote

Feb is typically the worst snow month, something about President’s Day snowstorms seems common. January and Feb are when it will be coldest. It’s not unusual to have the first snow the second week of December. I’m actually kind of surprised we haven’t had a dusting yet.

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satansfloorbuffer t1_izt58mo wrote

One of the biggest differences from California will be moisture. This is a wet, humid state. Air conditioning is mandatory. Mold and seasonal allergies can be a real issue. Many days of the summer will feel like you’re walking around inside someone’s mouth. It will be 85 degrees at 2am because wet air doesn’t loose heat. It can feel incredibly clammy in the colder months.

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ligsj t1_izso1zl wrote

I grew up in Columbia and it’s one of the best places to live. Extremely diverse. Everything has a “small town” feel to it. Great non-chain restaurants and bars. A lot of recreational activities. And like everyone is mentioning, close to Baltimore and DC

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LonoXIII t1_izudm2x wrote

Socio-Political Vibe: Socially Progressive and Centrist Liberal, although classist with numerous NIMBYs, "liberal elite," and "champagne socialists" in charge. Speak a good game on supporting the disenfranchised but often show their true feelings through local legislation (not to mention bigoted dog whistles). Still a very nice place to live (even for more economically left ideologies) - lots of ethnic and racial diversity, county laws supporting (and protecting) LGBTQIA+, religious diversity (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc.), and a notable Deaf population (because of the Maryland School for the Deaf). Just don't expect as much support for the (predominantly Black or Latino) working- or lower-middle class communities, neighborhoods, or schools as wealthier areas... at least, beyond lip-service and events celebrating 'diversity.'

Crime and Safety: Due to the size of Columbia (second largest 'city' in Maryland) crime exists, but even the "worst" zip code is 44% below the national average for crime (per capita), and 59% below for violent crimes. Most crime is property-related (burglary, automobile theft, etc.) and the majority of residents feel safe in their neighborhoods and on the numerous bike and walking paths. Howard County Police Department is generally decent, from both a community and investigative perspective. They're far from perfect, and there will always be detractors, but in general HCPD uses less force, makes fewer arrests for low level offenses, solves murder cases more often, and holds officers more accountable than most other regional PDs.

Cost and Economy: Columbia is expensive to live in, with a CoL 18.3% above the national average. Most of this comes in the cost of housing, where renting an apartment is almost the cost of a mortgage on a townhouse. You'll find everything here, from groceries to gas, a little more costly, except one thing: healthcare. Due to the extensive health network and facilities in the area, with the right insurance and doctors, you'll pay $20-$30 for co-pays and dollars (or cents) for prescriptions. As for work, there are plenty of commercial and industrial opportunities (particularly in retail and services), medical positions at the numerous offices, and public sector jobs... and that's in Howard County alone. If you're willing to commute 30-60 minutes in any direction, then you have seemingly endless opportunities; the unemployment rate in Maryland is around 4%, even with inflation and a recession.

Activities and Events: Columbia has minimal nightlife, limited to various sports bars and restaurants, as it was designed as (and to an extent remains) a family-focused planned city. There is still plenty to do here, though, starting with over 114 miles of pathways and sidewalks that lead to numerous parks and natural sites. We have tons of shopping areas, from commercial sites to Columbia Mall (one of the few indoor malls still going strong in the metro area). For entertainment we have two movie theaters, a dinner theater (and other smaller stages), and Merriweather Post Pavilion for large concerts. You'll also find events held at Symphony Woods and on the lakefront in downtown. Check your local news and there's probably something going on somewhere every week.

Weather and Climate: We are in a temperate zone, so expect all four seasons. Summers are hot and humid (mid-80s but feel like the 90s), although being further in-land we're not as bad as the counties east of us. Winters are cold and bitter (low-40s); in the past decade, we don't get snow as often but instead freezing rain and sleet that leave everything coated with a half-inch of ice (which will close schools, government, and make roads and sidewalks treacherous). Spring and Fall tend to be pleasant but unpredictable, especially as climate has changed; it's not unknown to have snow flakes in April, barbecue weather in October, or all four "seasons" in a week.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_izuebcl wrote

Thank you for this very detailed information. Definitely some things to consider, but so far no deal breakers from what I know of myself based on what’s been shared.

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nadialena t1_izs7ykv wrote

I moved here from the desert in LA county 25 years ago. It’s been awhile, but the most surprising thing to me was that clouds actually to mean that it might rain! I know, obvious. But as a kid in the desert, clouds just meant less sun. I keep multiple umbrellas in my car because it still doesn’t really occur to me to see the sky and check the weather.

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albrods t1_izsgtx9 wrote

As you look for places to work/live, you can put departure and arrival times in google maps (when you think you could commute) and it will give you estimated drive time with traffic.

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cweakland t1_izsyrrt wrote

I grew up here, and live near by in Ellicott City. One nice feature we have around here is the Patapsco State Park. I think we have a hundred miles of dirt trails for hiking and biking. It is a great park, and has some decent fishing too. A google image search gives you a nice idea of what the park is like:

https://www.google.com/search?q=patapsco+state+park&sxsrf=ALiCzsYtB7dnY2iokVbtw2tE1_5q3Pc4XA:1670777993228&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLo6OGhfL7AhUNGFkFHZQrAsMQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1536&bih=711&dpr=1.25

Old Ellicott city is a nice chill spot too: https://visitoldellicottcity.com/

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dogebuns t1_izt2u0y wrote

Ellicott city over Columbia, by far. But that's because I've noticed more crime in Columbia than Ellicott City.

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CheeCheePuff t1_izta9eu wrote

As an RN there are tons of potential places you could work in Columbia.. Howard County General, Gilchrist Hospice, many clinics as well. I live in Columbia but have been to CA (especially the LA area) many times, and the traffic is nothing compared to LA. If you’re heading down to the DC area it can be comparable though, so working down that way would be best avoided. Columbia is diverse, liberal, and safe. (I’ve never had an issue). As far as culture, it’s also a bit like LA in that there are lots of suburbs and strip malls, but cool independent things interspersed.

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teedotjay39 OP t1_iztcwnm wrote

Very balanced, thank you. When you say clinics, does this include ambulatory surgical centers (outpatient)?

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CheeCheePuff t1_izu2kew wrote

I would assume but I’m not really sure. There are some big medical buildings with various suites which I assume would have outpatient surgical centers, just haven’t directly experienced that.

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This_Comedian t1_izvuk8g wrote

Like everyone else said, it's an extremely safe area, great place to live (unless you are looking for an active nightlife), great schools, pretty area with a lot of amenities. The commute... well, I can't say anything nice about that lol but I moved to Columbia in 2005, and this year we finally sold our townhouse, searched all over the state within a somewhat sane commute to Silver Spring, basically looked everywhere except the western part of the state... and ended up moving into a house 2 miles from our old house LOL ... 3 months of non-stop searching smh... I think you'll really like the area :)

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dashinny t1_izrr3rv wrote

Winter doesn’t actually start until around Christmas, fall is when it looks best. People are nicer towards Baltimore than DC.

Luckily traffic isn’t as bad as LA, but will still find a way to tick you off. When driving at night even on the highways you have to be vigilant about deers and hidden troopers. As far as good eats, you’ll have to go to either cities because finding food comparable to LA is a dime a dozen in Columbia. Our mini ktown is Elliott city. Glen burnie is like your equivalent of skid row, not a lot of homeless people, but many druggies and far right conservatives who are batshit.

It’s snowboarding season, so look up wisp or whitetail, the drives aren’t too far and it’s usually what we’re up to when we can’t fish.

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DJ_GekkoGordon t1_izty6hj wrote

Re: the weather -- I grew up in the Chicago area. The winters here are relatively mild compared to the Chicago area. In other words, we have winter, but not all winters are created equal.

On the flipside I prefer Chicago area summers.

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danteheehaw t1_izri4lk wrote

Md traffic near and towards DC is awful. Md traffic towards baltimore isn't as terrible, but not great. Otherwise it's general nice. Rush hour sucks. If you are working 5am, 7am (7am can be ruined by an event or something which is fairly common depending on where you are going), 2pm, or night shift generally it's not too bad.

Politically, towards the coast it's a very liberal area. As you move inland it generally becomes more conservative.

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Weather, it actually doesn't snow that much, and most of the roads are well maintained for snowfall. Watch your speed. Don't accelerate while turning, don't brake while turning, and you should be fine. That being said, because it doesn't snow that much, when there is a lot of snowfall, there isn't enough plows to keep up with the roads and it quickly turns into emergency routes are the only decently maintained areas. Which good news, as a nurse there is a good chance your commute will be mostly covered.

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BakeBeginning7863 t1_iztnfkk wrote

I’d avoid Columbia. Extremely overpriced and no culture.

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