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Walkop t1_jargf4b wrote

Reply to comment by ldeveraux in LAPTOP?! Yes, laptop. Framework, specifically. by Goldie1822

They are that good. The M1/2 are no joke. But they're not magic sauce, they're incredibly expensive to make because they are massive dies on the most expensive node you can get, which gets exponentially more expensive the larger you go.

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ldeveraux t1_jarglcy wrote

OK I didn't realize I was talking to a fanboy, nevermind.

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Walkop t1_jarlvhx wrote

I don't own a single Apple product and I never will , at this point. But you can't deny the facts, M1/2 are great designs. They're just ludicrously expensive and will never see the light of day in a product that isn't thousands of dollars. Not the full die, at least.

They also aren't meant to compete with AMD and Intel and the majority of cases. They never will be able to.

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ldeveraux t1_jarnddc wrote

you've never owned an Apple product but you're telling me the M1 and M2 are the tops.

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Walkop t1_jasclmz wrote

I'm telling you that they're incredible performers for what they are. That's true. The amount of performance they get for the power draw is very, very good. There's been little competition on release. Definitely nothing remotely close in an APU. It's a very wide chip that gets a very high IPC because it has so much die allocated to things that give it more efficiency.

Most people who praise it, though, seem to think you could put that chip into a much cheaper device that's non Apple and it'd still be affordable, and that they've developed some magic sauce that makes it Apple-tax worthy. It's NOT that. It's a very expensive to make, high end chip. So it goes into very expensive products that happen to have the "Apple tax".

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ldeveraux t1_jasezou wrote

I don't disagree. I thought we were talking about the Framework, no?

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