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peterpeterpeterrr t1_iycvt6j wrote

Isn't mail supposed to go through x-ray systems before sorting in embassies?

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DIBE25 t1_iycwhra wrote

it's also supposed to be scanned in the postal system many times

something's missing.. delivered in person?

also the website is cancer

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The_Food_Scientist OP t1_iycwszc wrote

I guess, happened two hours ago. The embassy is scheduled to make a press release. Who knows how it got through. There were no casualties and the man suffered the explosion got out in his own feet and was sent to the hospital.

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Yoda--29 t1_iycx0cy wrote

Casualtiy means dead or wounded. So there was a casualty.

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BKStephens t1_iyczum6 wrote

"One employee, who was handling a letter, was hurt in the blast according to Spanish Police.

He suffered light injuries went to hospital under his own steam, the force added."

The article never mentions a casualty.

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deletable666 t1_iyf23y2 wrote

Google what causality means.

*Casualty

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VanquishedVoid t1_iyf34pr wrote

> Google what causality means

causality

noun

The principle of or relationship between cause and effect.A causal agency, force, or quality.That which constitutes a cause; the activity of causing; the character of an event as causing.

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BKStephens t1_iyf2ko1 wrote

casualty noun (INJURED)

a person injured or killed in a serious accident or war

Serious being the operative word here.

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deletable666 t1_iyf332y wrote

Lmao. You are a trip dude. Doubling down instead of just admitting you were confused. Take care fellow. Bless your heart

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BKStephens t1_iyf3ofv wrote

If you read the full thread you can quite clearly see where I admitted my confusion and what it was about.

It was not about what "casualty" means.

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deletable666 t1_iyf3x8m wrote

Clearly you still have some confusion on what a casualty is, and there is no reason for me to read through all your other replies to other comments I am not involved in.

Take care, goodbye

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BKStephens t1_iyf4qkb wrote

No confusion. I even Googled it like you advised, and put it right there for you to read.

Or is there no reason for you to read through all my replies? Even if they're directly to you?

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wrosecrans t1_iyfc8rd wrote

In the phrase "serious accident" the adjective serious modifies the noun accident.

Are you saying somebody accidentally sent a letter bomb?

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teaklog2 t1_iyfd6lv wrote

Going to jump in and argue the grammar here specifically, in an ‘or’ statement like that the ‘serious’ can also modify both things being listed.

‘i want to buy a red car or truck’ does not imply you want a red car or any colored truck

‘an accretive merger or acquisition’ - doesn’t imply you don’t care if the acquisition is accretive or not

unless you are saying if you want to say ‘I want to buy a red car, table, blanket, and shirt!’ you should instead say ‘i want to buy a red car, a red table, a red blanket, and a red shirt!’

if you want to remove that assumption from your sentence, you could instead say ‘a truck or a red car’ or ‘a red car or any colored truck.’

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wrosecrans t1_iyfejq3 wrote

In that case, the reading is that a wartime casualty can only happen in a "serious war," and someone killed in a minor border conflict wouldn't count as a casualty. Is that a reasonable reading of the definition?

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Additional_Share_551 t1_iyd4suq wrote

Modern use, casualty exclusively means dead. No one uses casualty to mean no longer fit for battle

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Yoda--29 t1_iyd4wzk wrote

Look up the definition of casualty.

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coldblade2000 t1_iyd6pc0 wrote

> Modern use,

Not really, like at all. Casualties have always been people injured or killed, not just killed.

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KrackasaurusRex t1_iyd5gba wrote

a : a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action The army sustained heavy casualties.

b : a person or thing injured, lost, or destroyed : VICTIM the ex-senator was a casualty of the last election

From Merriam-Webster

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Brian_Lafeve_Jr_ t1_iydeimg wrote

pluralcasualties

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a

: a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action

The army sustained heavy casualties.

b

: a person or thing injured, lost, or destroyed : VICTIM

the ex-senator was a casualty of the last election

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: serious or fatal accident : DISASTER

losses from fire, storm, or other casualty J. S. Seidman

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archaic : CHANCE, FORTUNE

losses that befall them by mere casualty Sir Walter Raleigh

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Lucavii t1_iyeffkz wrote

What? Bruh, people die a lot less in the military now than in the past. It means both but we actually get MORE use of the word describing injured soldiers than killed ones

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UShouldntSayThat t1_iyel45v wrote

No one ever has used casualty to exclusively mean dead. If you've been listening to news reports that say 80k Russian casualties in the current war and assumed that meant how many are dead, you've been mistaken.

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deletable666 t1_iyf29k2 wrote

That is exactly how it is used in the modern context actually. And same with older contexts.

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CrieDeCoeur t1_iydywu9 wrote

It’s almost like the words that make up languages are living things that evolve over time. /s

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steven_yeeter t1_iydtfwc wrote

> One employee, who was handling a letter, was hurt in the blast according to Spanish Police.

Perhaps that was what this employee was doing?

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Amauri14 t1_iyet8fk wrote

They probably send it personally there, just like when people send bomb packages, they just need to make it look like it went through the mail.

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Morbo2142 t1_iyd10zm wrote

The problem with stochastic terrorism and propaganda is how easy it is to lose control of the narative.

This was probably some Russian sympathizer who's brain has been turned to mush by Russian propaganda.

It sounds too amateur for an actual Russian gov operation. Not to mention it doesn't accomplish or further any of their current goals.

No idea why Spain of all places. Could be the history of fascism with Franco and all that. The soviets were heavily involved in that war.

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KyloRen3 t1_iyd3zd6 wrote

Spain has a HUGE number of Russians living there, particularly around Alicante, Valencia, Málaga...

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AntiBox t1_iye0tk7 wrote

> It sounds too amateur for an actual Russian gov operation

It sounds exactly like their bungled Salisbury assassination attempt.

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The_Food_Scientist OP t1_iyd1tbz wrote

You are quite spot on. The extreme left in Spain is full of Russia sympathisers. Mainly because the soviet union was the only country that offered real support in the Spanish civil war to fight off the fascist uprising and once the ww2 ended it was the main supporter of the Spanish communist party, the main opposition to Franco. Since then the Spanish left has moved away from communism but it was always tainted from a pro russian bias inherited from a pro soviet bias (like if Russia had anything in common with the soviet union). Now a days is something that only manifest in very niche ultra leftist groups. I remember a protest in support of the LPR and DPR in my city at the begging of the war with around 25 people in my city ( >150k habitats) but you just need one crazy asshole to make this kind of action.

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druizzz t1_iydsih9 wrote

Lol, the only Russia sympathisers in Spain are from Vox, the party of the extreme right. Not long ago their were praising Putin for being the best politician in the world.

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24offsuit t1_iydzlcm wrote

Untrue.

The far left AND far right are somewhat pro-Putin or anti-NATO and against support to Ukraine, albeit for totally different reasons. There is a crossover. It's kind of weird and on the fringe for both the left and the right but there is a small element on both sides.

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ACCount82 t1_iyeqap4 wrote

And people still try to say that horseshoe theory is wrong.

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1994mat t1_iyf5dns wrote

it's not horseshoe theory where theres this 2 far outer edges coming back together, it's one straight line with the far-left and far-right being super anti western establishment and wanting more populist brainrot

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dymdymdymdym t1_iyf3nia wrote

It is, there are times where it makes some convenient mirages though.

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bjornbamse t1_iyf4c1w wrote

Depends on what is understood as horseshoe theory. Both sides arrive at the same solution, but for very different reasons.

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ACCount82 t1_iyf6zlf wrote

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many radicals are similar to each other - not in declared ideals, but in observable methods and behaviors. There's a point when this radical zeal and "anti-establishment" thinking overrides any other thought process.

Which is how radical right and radical left have managed to converge on hating NATO and sucking it up to Putin in many countries. As they did before on COVID restrictions, and long before that on trying to "cancel" media for wrongthink, and before that, and before that. Radicalization is enemy of thinking - which horseshoe theory illustrates.

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24offsuit t1_iye91c4 wrote

I meant that, pro-Putin / anti-nato depending on political leaning. I'll edit my post to make it clearer.

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The_Food_Scientist OP t1_iydyipc wrote

True, but if you talk with militants of Izquierda Unida specially older ones you will find that they have kind of a soviet nostalgy and are very anti NATO

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Murtellich t1_iye75o4 wrote

You can be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin. I'm a IU voter who sees NATO as a necessary evil and is anti-Putin.

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kaisadilla_ t1_iye9x2k wrote

You are flat out misinforming people here. Almost nobody at any point in the left spectrum in Spain supports Russia. A few trolls on Twitter aren't representative of the "extreme left". Twitter is not real life. At most you can say that some elder far-left people don't support NATO and don't want to take sides in this war. But that doesn't mean they support Russia or Putin in any way.

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xsairon t1_iyf310c wrote

idk what ur talking about ive never, ever seen or heard about a leftist that supports putin and what he's doing

there's plenty of communists, but putin supporters? only in the far right because he had the image of being a strong leader, hates lgbt stuff and the new "western" progressive wave, and that's about it.

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Grunchlk t1_iydceuv wrote

>This was probably some Russian sympathizer who's brain has been turned to mush by Russian propaganda.

Sure but if it were an Iranian expatriate doing this to an Israeli embassy it would be widely regarded as a state sponsored terror attack and Iran itself would be culpable and subject to reprisals.

As it stands you're effectively painting it as "a passionate expatriate that got a little carried away." It's terrorism. Russia is executing a terrorist campaign in Russia and encouraging, either directly or indirectly, its expatriates to do the same.

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Morbo2142 t1_iyde3z9 wrote

Stochastic terrorism is what you described. And I believe what I called it. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism.

The government didn't carry out the attack but they encouraged and directed the behavior.

It's irresponsible to call an attack state sponsored unless there is proof the state had a direct involvement in planning and/doing the attack.

I don't disagree with you. It's hard to parse out what the Russian government is doing these days, what with all the reports of state approved warcrimes, terrorism, and gross human rights violations.

Also Iran isn't invading Isreal at the moment, so it would be a bit more of a surprise given all the happenings in Iran as of late.

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TheRC135 t1_iye0322 wrote

> It sounds too amateur for an actual Russian gov operation.

At this point I'd be tempted to argue the opposite. Have you seen their military?

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cabbagehandLuke t1_iydxieb wrote

"He suffered light injuries and went to hospital under his own steam".

Love that wording haha!

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Shiningtoaster t1_iycxwfy wrote

This is sick... Russia needs to be thrown out of Ukraine, asap.

The West should just give Ukraine weapons to hammer Russian cities far beyond the border to incentivize them to retreat

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continuousQ t1_iydqfqi wrote

Not cities, bases. Destroy all their aircraft, ships and missile launch sites. Russia doesn't need incentives, they have plenty if that mattered. They need to lose their entire military.

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TheFishFromUnderTheC t1_iyen00g wrote

Yeah, bombing cities makes a population resent the attacking force. Only bomb army bases and strategic points. The more you avoid the general populous, the better.

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AllLovingVillian t1_iyf6lc2 wrote

Sherman ended the American Civil War by razing Georgia to the ground. Total war works, you have to commit fully.

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djbtech t1_iyf9u04 wrote

Nukes ended the last "total war"

Care to double down on WWIII?

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DrFunkenstyne t1_iyfa54m wrote

What may have worked then doesn't necessarily work now. The prevalence of cel phones and the resulting videos of war atrocities make it very hard to garner support for such acts. Just my 2 cents, I could be wrong.

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Appropriate_Grade816 t1_iye2d28 wrote

Not just morally, but your plan to terrorbomb Russian cities is completely idiotic from a military-strategic perspective too. Attacks against civilians increase resolve, it does not lessen it. We are lucky people like you are not in charge of the Ukrainian military.

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antibacterialsoap t1_iye7pjw wrote

It CAN increase resolve. I think it probably would for Russian civilians. But strategic bombing of cities can also completely break opposition. Russia succeeded this way against Syria with completely annihilating their cities. Those same commanders that got their experience in Syria are running the show now in Ukraine.

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Appropriate_Grade816 t1_iyeend9 wrote

In Syria there were large amounts of troops capable of mounting campaigns on the ground, the Russians do not have that capability in Ukraine. Moreover, the Syrian conflict is still ongoing with rebels across the country.

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antibacterialsoap t1_iyeqngi wrote

To be clear, I think it would be a bad move ethically and strategically to bomb Russian cities.

I just think sometimes in certain conflicts against certain opponents, this can yield the horrific results so desired by the people giving those orders.

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gotBanhammered t1_iye1jtg wrote

Hurting civilians is never the answer. By your logic Israel should start executing Palestinian civilians.

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FapToMySkill t1_iye5pxt wrote

Wait they don't already?

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gotBanhammered t1_iye804x wrote

Newsflash: More Russian soldiers died this year than all Palestinians... In all wars...

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FapToMySkill t1_iyeml99 wrote

I'm sorry but who asked about that?

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gotBanhammered t1_iyepu0k wrote

Putting into perspective the myth that Palestinians are being randomly executed/genocided.

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FapToMySkill t1_iyett0f wrote

Myth? How much do you get paid? :D

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Edit: found that you served in Iranian military. Explains the bias.

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kingtz t1_iyes27m wrote

Additionally, the rest of the world needs to just sanction Russia back to the Stone Ages.

When Putin's generals and soldiers are starving and unable to get Western Medicine and other necessities, they'll be less likely to follow his immoral orders.

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TheHollowJester t1_iyexep3 wrote

After this conflict ends, if we want peace r*ssia has to be dismantled. Treaty of Versailles scenario won't work as proven in the past.

Otherwise they'll recoup the losses, play nice for like 20 years and attack someone again, only this time do it better.

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Only_the_Tip t1_iyd2rrk wrote

Russia is responsible. Either directly or from the propaganda they shit out constantly on their Russian language broadcasts.

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AleixASV t1_iydu5wb wrote

Biden... In Madrid? The US is not the world.

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Donjuanisit t1_iyfan0f wrote

There was another bomb to a weapons company called Instalaza, from Zaragoza. Weapons sent to Ukraine by Spain were manufacured there. The newspaper is saying some type of grenade launcher.

The letters were made from cardboard and were posted for 2.70 euros. The staff member from the embassy got minor burns in a finger as a little flame started when she/henewspaper with youtube vid tried to open the letter but went to the hospital without ambulance help.

A second bomb was sent to the Instalaza main office building (HQ?). It was detected by security staff just before 19:00 and they phoned the police. An unit of TEDAX was sent to check it out and they detonated the bomb safely.

Both places were checked by the police in case other bombs werent located yet. It seems all good now. All evidences and fragments have been sent to the forensics. Blue ink was used and around 20 gr envelopes. Definetly they were not make by the unabomber. The whole thing is being taken as a terrorist attack.

As a personal note if more bombs were sent to other busineses and arrived at the same time frame (afternoon or afternoon delivery) they might be unopened till tomorrow. Not the best of the explosive devices but cheap to make.

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godel32 t1_iyediq9 wrote

ruzzian terrorists can't even fight another army, need to resort to acts of terrorism. Shameful.

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tap-rack-bang t1_iyejhbg wrote

I mean it could be any country that is responsible for this and probably not Russia /s

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ThaFresh t1_iyf76hi wrote

Exploded by being overpacked with donation money

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Unlawful-Justice t1_iyfbs7g wrote

Should have tipped them off when the return address was signed by V. Ladimirputin

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000TheEntity000 t1_iyezwva wrote

Shittiest letter bomb ever, and where were any scans on post?

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Conkuri t1_iyeysgr wrote

Surely this sub learned from Poland missile incident and won't jump to any assumptions until investigation finishes,right?

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LickItAndSpreddit t1_iye0s7o wrote

In an alternate universe with dark humor Sesame Street, Super Grover is called to the aftermath of the embassy explosion and the whole alphabet is strewn across the rubble.

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One_Day8686 t1_iydwhtm wrote

This article is very vague on what happened... Hmmm, is it not strange that the injured individual used steam to get to the hospital?

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chumble182 t1_iyebkkz wrote

"..under their own steam" means that they didn't need assistance. It's a turn of phrase, not a literal description.

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One_Day8686 t1_iyejc91 wrote

The practical take away here is still that of confusion. Why would such a situation garner such the unprofessional report?

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