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autotldr t1_iudgqpi wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)

> London's Natural History Museum and Cambridge University have said that they are ready to co-operate with Zimbabwe to return human remains that were taken in the colonial era.

> The authorities in Zimbabwe have long suspected that the remains of some of the leaders of an uprising against British rule in the 1890s - known as the First Chimurenga - were taken to the UK as trophies.

> Zimbabwe's government believes that somehow the skulls of the country's heroes ended up in the archives of a British museum.

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shavingourbeards t1_iue7z1j wrote

« somehow the skulls of the country's heroes ended up in the archives of a British museum »

It sounds so fucked up when put that way… It’s about time this happened.

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DeepState_Secretary t1_iudruil wrote

‘Please, no need to thank me for my generosity. Though we’d prefer you did’ - UK probably.

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k3surfacer t1_iuf860v wrote

All of Africa want all their artifacts and remains of their dead back, with official apologies and reparations african themselves agree and decide upon.

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FuuuuuManChu t1_iugc37e wrote

I wonder what other shocking artifacts lay hidden in the so called archives.

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razorirr t1_iufnvo3 wrote

Get three skulls, get one Benin Bronze half off!

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Dem0s t1_iudotal wrote

Willing? All these "museums" filled with looted and pilfered artifacts and remains from their enslavement and domination of other nations need to be emptied and all property returned to the rightful owners.

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WeirdIndependent1656 t1_iufq4fs wrote

And who are the rightful owners? Assad and co?

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Dem0s t1_iugrete wrote

The people of the country it was stolen from one would assume. Maybe that's just me.

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WeirdIndependent1656 t1_iuguhqp wrote

So Assad and co for Eastern Roman stuff?

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Dem0s t1_iugul4t wrote

Name checks out.

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WeirdIndependent1656 t1_iugutn0 wrote

It’s a serious question. A lot of Roman antiquities are from Syria. Would you support sending them back there immediately? If not, why?

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Dem0s t1_iuhydt7 wrote

I stand by my original statement.

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borischung01 t1_iudzr6h wrote

Matter of fact is these artifacts has been in better condition in museums than they ever could have been in the hands of their original owners

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shavingourbeards t1_iue861w wrote

Hmm, better condition to who? That’s very relative. The best condition would have been for them to stay belonging to their home.

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dream_plant t1_iufgdv8 wrote

Better to the humanity as a whole. Regardless of their place of origin, valuable historical artefacts should be preserved and protected in stable, academia driven non-corrupt secure countries that are capable to ensure their maintenance.

We don’t want keep these artefacts in places where tomorrow a military junta or isis can overthrow the government and then sell to private collectors or even destroy these items. Better safe than sorry.

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Lost-Matter-5846 t1_iuedqdn wrote

In most cases and most countries yes but there are still some countries where Artifacts would be purposefully destroyed

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maniczebra t1_iue6h2x wrote

That’s a colonialist fallacy.

https://youtu.be/eJPLiT1kCSM

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WeirdIndependent1656 t1_iufq0fb wrote

That video is riddled with inaccuracies and completely misses the entire war in Syria that destroyed an incalculable amount of irreplaceable historical artifacts. The destruction of Aleppo was a tragedy that cannot be recovered from.

We cannot trust the only copies of irreplaceable historical artifacts to unstable middle eastern dictatorships. This is both self evident and proven by recent history.

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maniczebra t1_iug96he wrote

Nevertheless, it is not the purview of the western world to hold hostage cultural artifacts of other nations. That is a reductionist attitude, left over from the era of patriarchal colonial control of most of these countries. Their cultural artifacts should be returned to them, and only retained in western museums where their respective national governments outright request the retention of those artifacts for protective purposes. Anything else is patriarchal colonialism all over again. It’s racist and it’s wrong.

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WeirdIndependent1656 t1_iuguoop wrote

It’s not racist. There are many countries where the current rulers, who incidentally have nothing in common with the ancient inhabitants of the area, destroy antiquities. Putting humanity’s antiquities in their hands isn’t anti racist, it’s just stupid. Don’t give antiquities to the people who destroy antiquities if you want there to still be antiquities.

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ken_is_eth t1_iuerefe wrote

>hey you just broke into my house murdered my entire family and stole my great grandmas emerald necklace!! It’s a family hairloom

>🤓uhm actually I’ll probably keep the necklace in a better condition than you did, checkmate Liberal 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

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defenestrate_urself t1_iugwpam wrote

Bro hand over your valuables to me I swear I'll look after them really well.

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borischung01 t1_iui4ikg wrote

Well. Are you a museum curator with a PhD? Qualified and have the funds, the humidity controlled storage facilities to maintain a valuable item?

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defenestrate_urself t1_iui9dez wrote

If I was suitably qualified you'll hand it all over? It's a moot point though as most of the museum was looted. I would just come and raid your house.

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borischung01 t1_iui9jsa wrote

In the name of preservation of human history, yes. Honestly.

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defenestrate_urself t1_iuiak7p wrote

As if that was the intention in the first place, well done on justifying colonial atrocities in the name of cultural preservation to yourself.

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razorirr t1_iufo1n5 wrote

Sure, so ill steal your shit when you are out at work, but since I take care of things really well, you don't have a right to get pissed at me.

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