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Time-Opportunity-436 t1_ituiuvu wrote

Windows isn't hit by 'weak PC sales' or 'Linux'. Sales appear lower because sales were very high in the pandemic, which is over. And Microsoft profits as a whole aren't down, they make many more products and services.

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axis1331 t1_itv2yvz wrote

This is exactly it! Most people replace their pc every 3-5 years, but because everyone did it at different times sales generally averaged out.
Covid changed that cycle. Between the demands of remote work/school, employee tech stipends, and government stimulus a huge portion of the market upgraded early. Now there is going to be a natural lull for the next 2ish years until people need to start upgrading again.

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Confident-Parks-3021 t1_ittqjwb wrote

Microsoft basically doesn't really care about how profitable Windows is. As long as they get Windows on HP,Dell,Lenovo,Acer Laptops And Pre-built PC.

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BoricPenguin t1_itug00k wrote

Well yeah PC parts and computers keep getting more and more expensive.

Also while I like windows 10 and use it, windows 11 is a insult to PC users in my opinion, it's like they didn't learn anything from why 8 failed.

Not to mention how many people really need a PC? Like let's be honest they don't and that's part of the problem, PCs can only grow so much.

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SwagginsYolo420 t1_itvm4tc wrote

What benefits does Windows 11 offer the user? It has similar performance benchmarks to 10, and just shuffles around the UI in ways that absolutely nobody was asking for.

It seems to solely exist for the benefit of Microsoft, not the user. So what's the point?

If I buy a new product, it's because it does something better than the old one, has desirable new features, etc. But if a product comes along with no discernible benefit to me, then what's the point? Why even make it in the first place?

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BoricPenguin t1_itvqp01 wrote

I think current and last generation Intel(it may also help ARM CPUs but I could be wrong on that) parts you will lose some performance on Windows 10 due to Windows 11 handling big and small cores better then 10 and that's it I think.

Frankly Windows 11 isn't bad it's just 10 but a bit worst and that's why for me it's so insulting! Everything they added or changed in 11 could've just been a update for 10 maybe two it wasn't much, but instead they called it a new OS and want users to install a new OS..o and it's also worst in many ways.

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MairusuPawa t1_itx9824 wrote

Yeah, that's a very artificial limitation of its scheduler. The real meat is that TPM2 requirement, that they use to lock down more DRM enclaves within the system.

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SidewaysFancyPrance t1_itvk7fb wrote

I just replaced my 7-year-old 4th-gen Intel PC with a 13th-gen custom build, and it is awesome. But it came with Windows 11, which is absolutely horrible. Nothing is where it used to be, and finding things often requires a Google search to know what Microsoft renamed it so I can search in Windows Settings. It really wants me to integrate my computing with Microsoft services that I don't want anywhere near my device and is super pushy about it.

So yeah, I only replaced my PC because it was ancient and I'm a gamer. I would have not replaced it otherwise, and it was running fine. They are going to struggle with this because changing things around to justify a new version number and SKU isn't going to land with customers.

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anon_inOC t1_ityhy9c wrote

Time to reformat and load up Windows 10 👍

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ssdj t1_itv2j3g wrote

My last PC I built in 2011 with a 2600k. I had been longing to play some of the newer games and it was time to build a new PC. Prices for components in August were perfect. After extensive research I settled on a 12600 non k. Reason being was I hated the new thread director needs Windows 11 to function properly. Sadly I think this is the last gaming PC I will build.

I feel old.

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tektektektektek t1_ittpx99 wrote

How about nobody wants spyware, trojan installers, and advertisements.

Don't blame PC sales. Blame I-want-to-know-everything-about-you-and-control-you tactics by Big Tech.

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kazmerb t1_ittqvp7 wrote

Learn how to manage your fucking computers. You don’t have to be experts in tech to know how. Shit, windows settings and unchecking some boxes addresses most of what you mentioned.

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bubbshalub t1_ittvg26 wrote

ha! this one thinks those boxes mean anything to microsoft

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kazmerb t1_ittw1x1 wrote

I work in tech, I manage my own home network, I have network level tools that track many different things, and unchecking those boxes actually does disable the tracking metrics. But, you're an idiot with a "I bought a samsung device and cant remember my google password" level of understanding of tech, so its OK that you're an ignorant pissant.

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poopie88 t1_itu20c4 wrote

No they shouldn't be allowed to post stupid shit in the first place.

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kazmerb t1_itu267y wrote

Why? Willfully ignorant people deserve to be ridiculed. AND they're an r/againstgaymarriage user. Their opinions should 100% be automatically disregarded and made fun of.

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saintmsent t1_itudb3w wrote

It's not like there's much choice in desktop OS space. Sure, there's macOS, but not everybody is prepared to pay Apple money for a laptop, and there's Linux, but it's quite slow in getting more user-friendly, I don't see regular consumers jumping to it from Windows. At the same time, post-pandemic low PC sales make complete sense

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helloimdoc t1_ittwukp wrote

Everything is spying on you so something/someone can market to and/ or influence you. It’s 2022; Learn to navigate the digital frontier.

EDIT: Engrish

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iluvcyanide t1_ituqn7g wrote

Big company profits being down as news is exhaustingly annoying. They're still profiting who gives a fuck

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beatvox t1_ituwiwo wrote

How many PC can we have, unreal. After lockdown...PC sales explosion. Now that we all have PCs...and not buying another one ....PC sales are down. Well..duh!

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Norantio t1_itv79bt wrote

Windows 11. Combersome UI for Azure, teams, O365. The fact you still need to use powershell to administor objects in the cloud.

You're a mess Microsoft.

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lovepuppy31 t1_itveen1 wrote

Once the covid caused a mass shift to working remotely caused a spike in needing corporate laptops for the employees. Companies don't need to upgrade these laptops every year.

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LiberalFartsMajor t1_itvl818 wrote

Down 14% from how much of an increase last year?

Everyone just bought new PCs for their home offices during Covid, it'll be time for an upgrade in a few years.

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voodoovan t1_itun0hw wrote

Microsoft probably regrets not deciding on the Intel 10th gen CPU as the minimum for Windows 11, not the 8th gen. Microsoft thought Intel 8th gen would be enough for people to buy a new PC's with Windows 11.

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Blaze20k t1_itw85q7 wrote

They'll just up the requirements again when Windows 12 comes out in 2024

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barrystrawbridgess t1_itvkcay wrote

Inflation and low wages also have something to do with it.

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glonq t1_itvvznc wrote

Get those CPU and GPU prices down, and I'll glady buy a new PC.

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c0rzaaa t1_ittsdnk wrote

What did you think was gonna happen when you started charging double ?

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deckstern t1_itutef0 wrote

Partially because of Windows 11. If I wanted something that looked like a Mac, I'd buy a Mac. It's much easier to lean toward buying the mac when they look so close

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nedumai t1_ittvbo9 wrote

Switch to Linux, abandon spyware.

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bubbshalub t1_ittvlqw wrote

i run linux on my all amd gaming desktop, flawless experience with proton, I wouldn’t have it any other way… but my laptop with a 3070 desperately needs Windows to run at its best potential (thanks nvidia)

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nedumai t1_ittw7hs wrote

I switched to Zorin OS for the first time last year and it was flawless for the games I played as well. No problems with proton, some games even run native. As I became more familiar I installed Ubuntu 22.04 last month and it is even better. Many of the bugs of 20.04 are fixed. It's good to have updates that don't focus on spying on you even more but actually fix your problems. Tho the Zorin UI imo is way more convenient.

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Mental-Version2890 t1_ittwkjx wrote

Not that easy for everyone. Especially dual gpu laptops, which I’m guessing this person has. My laptop has integrated graphics and an nvidia card, and the graphics switching even with restarts works very poorly. Just a bunch of ACPI errors on boot. I stick to integrated instead, which I don’t care about because I don’t really game on a laptop.

I would appreciate suggestions for fixes, but I’ve had this laptop more than five years and tried every fix I could for the stupid nvidia gtx 940m

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Mental-Version2890 t1_ittvyjv wrote

Windows SUCKS. The only reason people finally can do something about it is because webapps have filled in the software gaps for many people.

Why pay for an OS that’s just as buggy as Linux especially when windows support forums are a joke. Oh, it’s got spyware and ads? Cool! (Gamers excluded in this convo until steam decks take over)

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ivebenthrew t1_ittvffy wrote

Microsoft needs to completely rewrite a new OS and not bring over legacy files from previous version and make the new one so bloated.

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helloimdoc t1_ittwlyb wrote

Business level support would like a word with you…

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Mental-Version2890 t1_ittx1k7 wrote

What do you mean WinAPI changed???? Will my VBA programs still work? I have to upgrade from office 2013?

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BurningPenguin t1_ituqqa6 wrote

> upgrade from office 2013

That sounds optimistic. I once worked at a company that's still running a DOS-based invoice software, which was coded by some random student in the 80s for his finals.

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helloimdoc t1_iu3ho5k wrote

You must have worked for my Dentist. She ran DOS strong until like… 2010. I was more impressed with the hardware more than anything. They don’t make’m like they usta

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