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jenksy t1_jcgysbz wrote

A fine but no requirement to wipe the data, is just the cost of doing big brother.

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myth2988 t1_jch6spq wrote

Joke now, they will just resell those data to other departments and make back those fines easily lol

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jenksy t1_jchaxl1 wrote

That's my point, yeah. All they've done is just pay to keep the data.

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mazza77 t1_jchacvg wrote

Sorry but how did they think that they will get recognised?! Really it’s like saying I went to renew my passport and they used my photo ! Jesus this is getting out of control and ppl should stay home

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sponge_bob_ t1_jciitqm wrote

Well when the law says if you track biometric data you need a sign, and they track this data, but have no sign, sounds like reasonable grounds

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FrostyDog94 t1_jcht764 wrote

Seems legit. New York City requires businesses to put up a sign that says they're tracking your biometric data. The Amazon Go store was and didn't. It's not about getting them to stop tracking you. It's about making them follow the rules and put up a sign. That's the law.

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bpetersonlaw t1_jchub4r wrote

I mean Amazon violated a NYC law requiring a notice that you were being tracked.

On the other hand, this was a store where the whole idea is that you are tracked and add things to your bag and leave without checking out. What do people think was going to happen? Obviously they are watching to see who grabs what so they can charge your account.

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TheGrumpyGent t1_jcidcav wrote

You're 100% correct on the assumption. However, this is stupidity on Amazon's part. They didn't even have to change what they were doing, they just needed a sign.

Somebody screwed up royal.

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sponge_bob_ t1_jcij633 wrote

You could roughly identify someone without their face; clothes, their shape, size, weight, height. The average user is probably not up-to-date on tech

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Dave4lexKing t1_jcmmas9 wrote

neither are you if you’re suggesting clothes as a legitimate alternative to biometrics in recognition software.

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Jnorean t1_jci29wf wrote

So, the lawyers will get millions of dollars and the customers will get a free year of Amazon Prime. 🤣

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UNSECURE_ACCOUNT t1_jcjzhe7 wrote

And everyone will gladly take that free year because everyone knew they were being tracked. The whole concept of the store is you walk in, grab what you need, walk about, and get billed later. Literally, the only way that happens is if the store knows exactly who you are, the second you walk in. Everyone in that store knew or should have known their biometric data was being collected.

But Amazon still needs a sign giving notice of collection like everyone else.

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Individual-08645 t1_jchrjql wrote

How the hell did they think they were tracking them and deducting the cost? This is stupid.

If they are making a database or selling your data then yes you should be mad

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SuccessfulSapien t1_jcit8df wrote

Doesn't matter if the customers are stupid. Amazon was breaking the law.

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Melanie-Littleman t1_jcivk6h wrote

Yes, that was the point and the people were probably aware anyway, but the law requires a sign regardless and someone and some lawyer saw a chance to make a quick buck over what is basically a technicality.

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xultar t1_jcjt6g5 wrote

Is this the hill you want to defend cuz…

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sanjsrik t1_jcgtfoz wrote

Wait? People actually use these stores?

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ghaelon t1_jcgy75f wrote

I thought Amazon was liberating me from the chains of having to actually drive and visit physical retail stores. And they want me to go to their fucking store now?

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damon459 t1_jciso2o wrote

They own Whole Foods…

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ghaelon t1_jckhp1m wrote

I never cared for whole foods anyway. The quote unquote organic label is unregulated. If organic is the primary focus of the label I avoid it.

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Cykon t1_jch7cmg wrote

I've been to a whole foods with the walkout tech. We can debate for days about what kind of data they're collecting, but it really was a much better grocery experience

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pwdr7 t1_jchadyp wrote

As shitty as Amazon is, these stores are cool as fuck and are a very interesting experience.

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Due-Ad2956 t1_jci35le wrote

Yes , but they keep data on you using your face, what you buy , what time you come in and out. For years. Then they either use it or sell the info. To solicit

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reohh t1_jci7sut wrote

They’re doing all that (with the exception of facial data) when you go on their website or use their app anyway

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Frymewitheggs t1_jciuhl1 wrote

Fun fact store cards and Credit cards do the exact same thing.

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Rudy69 t1_jciak5i wrote

I’d love to be able to walk into a store grab what I need and fuck right off. When I do this right now they always involve the cops

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monkeyhog t1_jci7sl9 wrote

I thought the facial recognition was the whole point of the physical amazon stores.

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colin8651 t1_jcjysxx wrote

What what what!?!?

This is a store that tracks your movements and everything you do in the store and identifies what products you grabbed and took with you.

Somehow you were confused that it uses facial recognition as part of its technologies?

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Qwerty678910 t1_jcjf4rs wrote

Wait until people find out about a Walmart…

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Ok_Fox_1770 t1_jcid90c wrote

Just a sneaky form of live action observing what you look at… what you touch…. What draws people the most. A new method of data collection and observing shopping habits, plus no sticky fingers, should have David Blaine test the system try n steal a lava lamp or somethin. How good is the eye of god.

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Prophet_Muhammad_phd t1_jcifsnd wrote

How do you go into an AmazonGo store and not realize they’re using facial recognition and other tracking software?… Dod you think the store was operating purely on the honor system? Because New Yorkers are such trustworthy people to begin with, right?

This would be surprising if you walked into your local corner store, not a store built on walking in, and walking out with food and other goods w/o having to stop to physically pay.

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AmbassadorETOH t1_jcj9z9s wrote

Every city in every state should have such a law…

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Leather_Egg2096 t1_jck8qx7 wrote

If you were wondering why the rich were upset about people wearing masks....

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MajorNotice7288 t1_jcit3r7 wrote

How long until this level of surveillance becomes commonplace beyond the inside of these stores...

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Frymewitheggs t1_jciv8ry wrote

Not quite related to this story. But I was visiting New York in 2020 just before Coronavirus shut down the world. I wanted to show my Wife how an Amazon Go store worked. So I got the App slapped on my credit card and we wandered in. I futzed about picking shit up and leaving it down in wrong places. We leave and can instantly see our receipt.

We leave finish our trip and go home. About a month later. AmazonGo emails me saying they can't bill my card. So I update my card on my account with another. (First one was Visa second one was Mastercard)

They email me again telling me they can't bill me. I email back telling them they've got their choice of 2 cards to charge on if neither of the perfectly valid cards do not work. They have an issue with their payment system. Never heard from them again. So I got $20 dollars of stuff free from AmazonGo cos they couldn't bill me.

Probably not go in again in case there is a Beezo security bot ready to jump me.

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[deleted] t1_jcizor6 wrote

If you are worried about this shit, you are a criminal and have something to hide ROFL

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Shavethatmonkey t1_jcki7uy wrote

That's kind of a dumb take. Amazon collecting biometric data on everyone with no controls and using that data who-knows-how is a reasonable thing to be wary of.

You have a 10 year old account with ONE karma?

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Muted_Sorts t1_jcimlzv wrote

Do the customers even receive compensation for their data? No. It's time for this to change.

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colin8651 t1_jcjz61c wrote

They get purchase something without having to talk to someone; that works out well for me.

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ExcitementRelative33 t1_jchhbum wrote

Only in New Yrk, the world capital of law suits... It's not frivolous, I'm suing you for defamation...

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damon459 t1_jciuaeh wrote

You couldn’t be bothered to read the article could you… Amazon is violating the law in NY…

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ExcitementRelative33 t1_jcivb8y wrote

See, you assumed I did not read the article, I can sue you for that... duhhhh...

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damon459 t1_jciwbuf wrote

So you’re a moron, Amazon is violating NY law, hence they’re being sued…

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OptionalFTW t1_jchwpvu wrote

Oh no. A camera recognized your face just like a person can! WHATEVER WILL WE DO?!

my fucking Christ can we all collectively worry about shit that matters?

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BasielBob t1_jck9kvn wrote

A person is not going to build an accurate database of your every movement for the next 20 years and sell it to anyone who pays.

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damon459 t1_jcisyk0 wrote

Who decides what matters? You? This matters to the people filing a class action lawsuit against a company who’s knowingly violating the law…

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SuccessfulSapien t1_jcitiue wrote

Privacy and criminal corporations don't matter? I'd be interested to hear your list of priorities.

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OptionalFTW t1_jcj4vcj wrote

Not caring if someone saw my face or read my emails isnt even anywhere in my list. I have nothing to hide. Do you?

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SuccessfulSapien t1_jckb873 wrote

"I have nothing to hide" is not the way to approach privacy.

You didn't answer my question.

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BlissfulGreen2 t1_jch9y73 wrote

Are the store employees prohibited from recognizing the faces of customers? This is nonsense.

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GhostOfKingGilgamesh t1_jchinlo wrote

Until they sell the data to the US government and you get arrested for protesting a dystopian fascist society, which is where facial recognition takes you.

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BlissfulGreen2 t1_jchjk35 wrote

Like Minority Report! Except if you don’t think the government has at least 10 photographs of your face, you’re way behind the curve on this.

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BlissfulGreen2 t1_jchjogh wrote

Plus they wouldn’t arrest you for promoting a dystopian racist society, they’d give you a job!

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angryve t1_jchvlyy wrote

Dude. The government already has this data if you have any kind of social media presence and plenty of licenses for everything from Clearview to briefcam and anything in between. Your phone provides more usable intel on you than any biometric marker could hope to achieve (given the state of the tech)The problem isn’t the tool. The problem is that the regulations around the usage of that data, particularly by law enforcement, are basically nonexistent. More laws need to be in place to meet minimum viable standards of efficacy (because police can lower recognition thresholds, get a match, and use that as a lead) and what situations they CAN use it in. I think people overestimate how much the government tracks it’s citizens (most of us aren’t interesting), and underestimates how often they’re tracked and manipulated by apps on their phone.

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