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pegothejerk t1_jd6ammy wrote

Chinese law stipulates that all tech companies must give data to the govt upon request and the request must be kept secret. That’s all you need to know, that’s an unacceptable risk for national security.

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honeybooboobro t1_jd6tucm wrote

Today we were checking traffic in our guest wifi, seems like Huawei phones use Chinese DNS servers, despite them not showing anywhere in the config on the phone itself. Winnie the Pooh wants to know your kinks.

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EvangelineOfSky t1_jd6zl6p wrote

Canada banned Huawei from our cellular networks, surprised other countries haven't

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honeybooboobro t1_jd71t5b wrote

Our state intelligence service released a public warning, but it's up to the other state institutions and private companies to act upon it. We have company policy against it as well, that's why we only found out by checking guest network, which is walled off.

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dwitman t1_jd7ne85 wrote

US. Has basically the same law.

Edit: due to the patriot act passed hastily after 911, if the NSA tells a company to turn over data they have a documented way of doing it in which the company is never allowed to say it happened due to national security concerns.

That’s why there used to be a line in terms of service of various companies stating this had never happened. These lines functioned as a security canary, meaning if they were deleted that could mean the NSA did one of those requests and the company was forced to hand over some or all of its user data. This very site use to have such a canary. It no longer does.

So that’s some additional context. Kindly now resume the downvotes.

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eniteris t1_jd76mma wrote

Isn't that exactly the same in the USA under the FISA and the Patriot Act?

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pegothejerk t1_jd7t8e6 wrote

The US relaxed it’s gag orders in 2014, and there’s a process for requiring that data that leaves a paper trail, which can be studied by courts. It’s also from the US, and not by a competitor nation known to steal intellectual property, a nation state that you can’t touch with information requests about what data or investigations they have on you at all. Am I thrilled what the US has done and presumably will do? Definitely not, but there is a huge difference between the interests and problems between which nation gets data on which citizens.

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GiantRobotTRex t1_jd6886o wrote

Welp, I've never heard of a CEO lying. Case closed.

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impy695 t1_jd6zfc6 wrote

A CEO who answers to the Chinese government to be specific.

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GossipOutsider t1_jda8a71 wrote

Well.. It's either answer to Pooh or disappear for a year and get everything taken away.

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Koilosarx t1_jd69jex wrote

I doubt he's in any position to do anything but deny it.

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Sleeper28 t1_jd6853e wrote

Totally irrelevant. If the CCP walked in and said, "Give us all the data!" What are they going to do, say no? They'll be arrested on the spot.

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Coyote65 t1_jd6b61s wrote

Valid point.

'Taken' and 'shared' are not the same.

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TheTerribleInvestor t1_jd69rsm wrote

They would probably just do it, its not like normal people will be able to find evidence of that event if they kept it between each other

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KickupKirby t1_jd7ehdz wrote

If CCP walked in and said, “Why are you suddenly crying? You’ve been selling your data to us for years!” I’m sure some politician would pop up and say, “but not like this!”

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livingfortheliquid t1_jd6bplv wrote

Sure, and cigarette companies didn't know the affects of smoking

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TheTabman t1_jd7facq wrote

Just as petrol companies never knew they were a major climate change contributor.

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cold08 t1_jd7owfj wrote

Facebook doesn't disclose who the sell their data to either. If China wanted US user data they could just buy it. We need better data privacy laws in this country.

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UnhappyHighlight644 t1_jd8qggk wrote

Yeah this is why I don't understand the push to ban Tiktok. The data can be sold and there is nothing stopping the chinese government from posing as a different entity to purchase data.

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elJefedcog t1_jd6hzjx wrote

Sacklers, "our opiates aren't addictive."

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Ottobahn- t1_jd6cgja wrote

Same way the Chinese government never ran over students with tanks?

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srandrews t1_jd69qqc wrote

Complete bullshit. If you can already pick up everyone's identity from the cumulative breaches, imagine what happens within a company. As it is, all of this data is even collectible without TikTok. It's just the icing on the cake: It's a training corpus for AI audio and video and other useful intelligence like measuring US sentiment towards China. The number of uses is endless. On the bright side, we're gonna get great English instructions included in the products we buy going forward.

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Coyote65 t1_jd6bb3d wrote

> On the bright side, we're gonna get great English instructions included in the products we buy going forward.

That's going in the "Maybe - but doubtful" pile.

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EBXLBRVEKJVEOJHARTB t1_jd6ccf8 wrote

"The Chinese government has never asked for US user data. They've demanded all user data."

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65a t1_jd880ma wrote

Data privacy is a red herring for TikTok. The risk is manipulating the public. The same reason most western apps are banned in China.

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Trugdigity t1_jd7nc6k wrote

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bigjojo321 t1_jd6bs6g wrote

If they share it with or give access to Bytedance then this is likely accurate, because Bytedance legally has to turn over said data, doesn't make sense for them both to turn it over.

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wobbly-cheese t1_jd6m1gd wrote

the app didnt, the company owning the app did. is this their first rodeo?

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cwn01 t1_jd75fwc wrote

Never shared, it’s exclusively going to China?

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Fragrant_Spray t1_jd7g2rl wrote

Of course he’s lying. He’s as credible as the CEO of a US company saying they never shared data with the US government.

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Syringmineae t1_jd7v7et wrote

Don't care. Give me my silly little videos.

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JustAKeyboard t1_jd95p4z wrote

Anyone dumb enough to use tiktok deserves to have their data collected by the ccp.

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platoface541 t1_jdacb4w wrote

If I’ve learned one thing about tech CEO’s and their promises about data is that my asshole hurts

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peakaugeek t1_jdbdgbb wrote

Of course they didn't share it. That implies they didn't own it in the first place.

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twirlingmypubes t1_jd6e2kb wrote

They just shared it with the local Xi-eese monger.

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jaydpuppycat t1_jd6s5ng wrote

They sure are making a big deal over an app that a lot of other govts chose to ban from govt devices... like it impacted them beyond the normal.

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gizmozed t1_jd7e0tl wrote

Now there's an assertion that's worth a bucket of warm spit.

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