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a1234321 t1_iu0xont wrote

We need a neutral entity doing this. It's always going to be political otherwise.

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NHUndeclared t1_iu2obhq wrote

In 2019-20 when Dems controlled both chambers they sent bills to Sununu to use a neutral entity for redistricting. Sununu vetoed the bills twice.

#VoteBlueForSoManyReasons

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KrissaKray t1_iu44538 wrote

I just puked in my mouth. You're watching Dems fk things up repeatedly on the Federal level and you STILL vote for them. Sad.

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juicebronston t1_iu58dbh wrote

Republicans want to cut taxes for the rich and gut social security to “fix” the economy, and you still vote for them?

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KrissaKray t1_iu5d0qy wrote

Ideally Social Security in its current form would no longer exist. It’s a forced garbage retirement “plan”. I don’t know how to go about getting that done in an effective manner but the government has zero business in planning for our retirements and thinking they can do better than we can on our own. Disability is a different story and should be treated as such.

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NHUndeclared t1_iu4cm06 wrote

Haha, enjoy your breakfast.

#VoteBlueForSoManyReasons

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NHUndeclared t1_iu4dat8 wrote

GDP up 2.6%, unemployment at historic lows, manufacturing jobs at historic highs. Biden is doing what Trump said he'd do. Strengthening the US economy, strengthening US reputation and influence around the world.

China, Russia and Iran hope Repubs take control of the House to tie Biden's hands.

#VoteBlueToSaveAmerica , #VoteBlueForSoManyReasons

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Azr431 t1_iu1eyju wrote

Yep. Only 14 states use some form of independent redistricting.

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valleyman02 t1_iu04l4q wrote

It's amazing how people will rationalize cheating to get their way. Personally I'm against all cheating I don't care what party does it.

Tune out the noise and Vote!

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Hoops867 t1_iu19qkc wrote

When any group is in power, they'll do whatever they can to hold onto that power.

Democrats won't make it completely neutral either unless they give the power of the decisions to a neutral third party that is able to stay truly neutral. A computer program that draws district lines based on clear and transparent guidelines would be about the only solution I'd trust to be actually fair.

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DerekPDX t1_iu0u8i7 wrote

Honest question, and this might be my ignorance showing through, but why do all of these districts (here and in other states) always tend to favor republicans? In other words, why do republicans always get to set the district maps?

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a1234321 t1_iu0xyyk wrote

It's done by committee but when a party has a majority it's going to tend to favor the party of the majority.

Since we don't have any rules to make it a 50/50 thing, it's always a risk for runaway gerrymandering for future wins.

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valleyman02 t1_iu198yk wrote

That's kind of the point though. It's not just a risk it's guaranteed. Politicians should never get to decide the districts. Although if I can set my own salary then I'll let them pick their own districts.

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu1i3pe wrote

Republicans are a centralized monolith run from the top down which engages in perfect political strategy. Their policies benefit the top, and are wildly unpopular, so they funded down ballot races to change the political rules.

Democrats are more grass roots and do not play politics the same way. They are resigned to winning elections with popular policies.

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mod-corruption t1_iu1u3if wrote

This is a bogus take lmao.

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu1y0d6 wrote

Billionaires pay strategists and think tanks to come up with lists of phrases and talking points. Fox News, Breitbart, WSJ, talk radio, and politicians repeat the talking points. Republican voters hear this and repeat the lists too. That is how it has worked my entire life.

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mod-corruption t1_iu2jwde wrote

And this stuff doesn’t exist in the Democrat Party? They’re just a grassroots organization that has success because their policies are popular? They don’t have any media conglomerates regurgitating their propaganda?

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu51z7l wrote

Turns out people like higher wages, healthcare, and access to education. Not much of a conspiracy there.

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu1xoot wrote

Billionaires pay strategists and think tanks to come up with lists of phrases and talking points. Fox News, Breitbart, WSJ, talk radio, and politicians repeat the talking points. Republican voters hear this and repeat the lists too. That is how it has worked my entire life.

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Zealousideal_Walk515 t1_iu2bfdv wrote

What are you smoking? Democrats are the most diabolical politicians of them all. See Harry Reid using the nuclear option, Nancy Pelosi “deeming” Obamacare into law, the continual harassment of the previous president the entire term and since he left, what they did to Kavanaugh, the list is endless…!

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu4fkj8 wrote

Sorry, passing legislation which helped tens of millions of Americans gain access to healthcare is the opposite of “diabolical”. Reducing pain, suffering, and death of Americans is the result of improved access to healthcare.

Donald Trump is credibly accused of committing many felony crimes. No American is above the law.

Kavanaugh was credibly accused of sexually assaulting multiple women. Investigating a SCOTUS nominee for credible rape accusations is just.

You are living in an upside down reality.

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fins4ever t1_iu41pee wrote

Because Republicans put more effort into winning state and local elections and so control more states. But blue states like Illinois and Maryland do the same thing in favor of democrats, there are just less blue states

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CDogNH t1_iu1pino wrote

They don't. In dem states they favor dems, in republican states they favor republicans. This is not a secret and it's been going on longer than we've been alive

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littleirishmaid t1_itzpprm wrote

Its only called gerrymandering when the opposition has drawn the lines.

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu0dfi2 wrote

Imagine redefining “Gerrymander” to avoid responsibility. That is called bad faith argumentation… which seems to be your only contribution.

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littleirishmaid t1_iu1i4mj wrote

Is what I said untrue?

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu1lqbw wrote

Yes.

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littleirishmaid t1_iu1lz7q wrote

False. https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-congressional-redistricting-decision-20220325-pqwwrukaeremlis2xei5oekyqi-story.html

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu1nwz1 wrote

It doesn’t matter who does it. It is called gerrymandering. The only question is why you always rush to defend scumbag behavior out of Republicans.

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LeverTech t1_iu1qywf wrote

This article in no way proves your point.

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Nevaknosbest t1_iu0p7gl wrote

Care to reevaluate your stupid comment?

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littleirishmaid t1_iu1igxf wrote

It is true. https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-pol-congressional-redistricting-decision-20220325-pqwwrukaeremlis2xei5oekyqi-story.html

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Nevaknosbest t1_iu1qsh4 wrote

....there's a literal quote used in the source you provided calling it extreme gerrymandering in favor of democrats as said by Republicans.

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littleirishmaid t1_iu2ahjr wrote

And the judge agreed. Both sides do it.

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Nevaknosbest t1_iu2jtpz wrote

Ahhh okay, so you were just being a troll. Got it. 👍

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littleirishmaid t1_iu2k65p wrote

LOL, Wrong.

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LeverTech t1_iu1qvj4 wrote

This article in no way proves your point.

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ralettar t1_itzpg46 wrote

Is nearly the same patchwork as always. NPR is such a waste of money

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Final_Act6703 OP t1_iu0dtqq wrote

+10% seats for Republicans is by definition, not the same patchwork. It is by definition and intent, a Gerrymander.

Using a straw man argument like, NPR is a waste of money, is bad faith argument.

Stop worshipping republicans. We are simply talking facts and you’re melting down.

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ralettar t1_iu1sikm wrote

It’s only “gerrymandering” when Republicans define the districts. Otherwise it’s “equitable vote distribution.” Go bitch about real gerrymandering in other states like Illinois and Maryland.

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