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This headphones isn't the most technical or fun sounding in this rabbit hole, but it is super neutral and balanced which makes it easy to listen to for multiple hours. ( This is not my only headphone, so i'm not concerned about the lack of bass )
Tidal HIFI + BTR7 LDAC + HD600 + kitchen. I was doing a granola recipe while listening to the hd600 "wirelessly". 🤓🎶
I said it a decade ago with the 650s and it's still my endgame. you don't need to shill for every new headphone, especially since half of the new headphones won't last a fraction as long as something like the hd 600.
>your don't need to shill for every new headphone
/r/inearfidelity in shambles
Yep, totally agree. My Hd-600 is almost 15 years old now and haven't even looked at other headphones since then. I just buy new cables and foams from time to time and maybe try new EQ curve for a bit.
Same with speakers - bought a pair of used LSR 305 few years ago and recently added a LRS 310s sub as an endgame cherry. I'm still in awe how good this set sounds.
Totally agree on the LSRs, i have them for 8 years now and these things sound much better than they should!
Yes! I wasn't expecting much from a pair of speakers costing half as much as my headphones, but oh boy was I wrong. This waveguide thing is pure magic.
Paired with a sub those puppies simply crushed my HD-600 and devoured it's mutilated remains for breakfast.
Funny thing is, i was looking for subs yesterday but the LSR310s now sells for 500€!
Frankly - it's not worth this much. I've bought mine used so it's a different story, but I've almost pulled the trigger on new SVS SB-1000. You should check it out. It has 80 Hz fixed crossover point on line outs - just like JBL, but at least phase control works. The only real downside is lack of balanced connections.
Another choice to consider are KRK subs. Those have full 360 degrees phase control, full crossover control and bypass pedal. I find lack of those features on JBL extremely annoying.
Subs are notoriously hard to set up and the phase control is a must. I've lucked out with my room and placement, but it took a bit of effort and a lot of REW measurements. I also feel like I'd want to cross a bit lower, like 60-70 Hz.
>Subs are notoriously hard to set up and the phase control is a must. I've lucked out with my room and placement, but it took a bit of effort and a lot of REW measurements. I also feel like I'd want to cross a bit lower, like 60-70 Hz.
well, 70hz is the point where the LSRs start to flat-line on the FR, so that would be a good place to crossover I guess.
I was also looking at the KRK subs as they seem to offer a more complete feature set. Just now checked SVS, all north of 750€ where I live. Are they worth it? KRK are much more reasonable at 300€ for S8.4 and 400€ for S10.4 for example.
Maybe you're looking at SB-1000 PRO that has app support (you don't need that). Plain SB-1000 goes for 499€ on amazon.de.
Is it worth it? Can's say for sure, but it is a sealed sub with 12" driver capable of going into low 20s. Hard to argue with that. Also, people seem to like it and it has good opinions on ASR forums. It might lack a bit in SPL department (ported subs usually deliver more boom per watt) but it's not this critical in near-field and certainly it has a best ratio of inches per buck spent.
I wouldn't look at anything smaller than 10", unless in a very tiny room.
Choice between S10.4 and SVS is really hard, I don't envy you ;)
>Maybe you're looking at SB-1000 PRO that has app support (you don't need that). Plain SB-1000 goes for 499€ on amazon.de.
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this one plays hard to get!
>Is it worth it? Can's say for sure, but it is a sealed sub with 12" driver capable of going into low 20s. Hard to argue with that. Also, people seem to like it and it has good opinions on ASR forums. It might lack a bit in SPL department (ported subs usually deliver more boom per watt) but it's not this critical in near-field and certainly it has a best ratio of inches per buck spent.
it will go in the living room, this deficit in SPL might come into play a bit as it will also be used for midfield listening. Not a huge living room though as I guess it could work.
>I wouldn't look at anything smaller than 10", unless in a very tiny room.
I agree as I also think that 8'' are not future-proof enough to justify a purchace
>Choice between S10.4 and SVS is really hard, I don't envy you ;)
No worries there also! As I wrote earlier this will go into the living room so I will just let my wife pick the one she likes the most!
>it will go in the living room,
That opens a whole new can of worms...
From my journey through the sub rabbit hole I remember people agreeing that a nice set of big 3-way towers beats any bookshelf + sub combo in terms of music in living rooms. Subs are just too tricky. On the other hand, if you're after home cinema experience you generally go with biggest boom possible (you want to go beyond 20 Hz) on multiple ported subs for proper coverage and SPL levels. Like at least double SVS PB-2000.
Crazy stuff. Near field is way easier and cheaper.
>From my journey through the sub rabbit hole I remember people agreeing that a nice set of big 3-way towers
Totally this! What held me back (and still does) is that a change of venue is coming in the next couple of years so I'm considering the addition of a sub as a possible intermediate solution for a sound upgrade. Also, as this falls more in the 'nice to have' than the 'absolutely need to have' category for me, I'm internally debating about buying nothing now and upgrading my budget for later.
Well, choices choices I guess!
I have to totally agree with this point
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Good luck in your Journey mate haha
you wont stop. think about the sundara which many want to try out due to the similarities....
I'd prefer that NDH30 🤤
Im thinking about addind ndh30 to my collection in the future. How is is compared to the hd600? I have the hd660s so thats why im curious
Perfect sound stage. It has beaten the 1990 which I dislike to the fullest in Half Life 2 Episode 2 where Alyx and Vautigont talk about the Combine invasion together with Gordon... The placement is perfect. Mids are great and treble laid back compared to the M1ST or probably the 600 which I did not receive yesterday thanks Hermest packet service (I have it listed as send to gas station but they went to my home). Bass might be a no-go or a win because it has nothing to do with consumer headphones, it is literally a subwoofer but quieter with so many shapes and levels of darkness. Also super unconfortable headband but pads got bigger by far compared to my now sold NDH20 which sound fake. It needs an amp and shows flaws in music like positioning of everything.
It was a 600 or NDH30, i went for the cheapest
absolute endgame for now
For today only 😊
at 11:59:59
headphones are really a hobby for masochistics in that way I aren't they
The HD560s is surprisingly good and comfortable too. Listening to it now. $100 refurbished from Sennheiser.
I think the HD 560S is better than the HD 600.
yes
Ah, not even close. The HD600 is a professional industry standard. Not true of Senny’s cheaper consumer phones. HD600s scale up on good amps like nobody’s business. Also not true with Senny’s consumer models.
That's your opinion.
Sennheiser to rule them all !!
best value for sure..
hd560s is pretty good , but need good recording , that's why they made it as the HD400pro.
hd660s is actually at different level, even with shit quality recording , its still sound good .
What is your source? Don't want to splurge on a Ifi Zen or that Qudelix thingamajig to power them.
Spotify on an old iPhone with a headphone jack. 3.5mm cable to the 3.5mm line in on a Topping NX4 portable DAC/amp (whose DAC is being bypassed in my configuration).
They really are just a fantastic set of headphones that maintain a certain response and timbre that despite having access to what others may say are “better” or even headphones that are absolutely better in certain areas… You’ll always, at least I always find my way back to these headphones for a proper sense of balance in audio and to calibrate “how things should sound” or rather it’s how I would like them to sound and they have never been completely outdone - side by doe against any headphones you might find another set more to your liking but the venerable HD600 IMO is really a headphone that is never really “bested” by any other - Cheers and Congratulations
"Sense of balance" is exactly how i feel about this headphone. Not the best but still very satisfied while it's on my head 🙂.
Opinions on the hd560s vs hd600? I've owned a variety of headphones from quite a few different manufacturers but none have caught my ear like Sennheiser. I've heard the 560s is a more neutral 600 with better bass extension but for whatever reason I've never been able to try the 600.
Personally I'd say the HD560s is a bit less neutral sounding than the HD600 because of its elevated treble and slightly distant sounding mids, although the bass and mid-bass balance is great and better than the HD600. I found that the presence boost and natural soundstage of the HD560s gives some instruments a boosted spatial sound to them, which you may or may not enjoy.
The HD600 in comparison is more forward and detailed sounding in the mids, with balanced treble that isn't hyped. It does lack sub bass and has a very slight mid-bass boost. All of which makes it sound a bit more closed in and analytical as a result. I use mine every day but the reason I like them is because they're a reliable boring workhorse as opposed to a fun or exciting sounding headphone.
Another headphone I'd recommend that is somewhere between a HD560s and HD600 is the AKG K612, which I think is AKG's best headphone by far.
Great review. Can I bother you for a recommendation? I like electronic music and am in the market for a "fun" or "exciting" headphone that has excellent sub-bass (20hz-120hz). What would you recommend?
not sure how fun it is for others, but i love my Neumann NDH-30.
Really really nice set of headphones pleasure to listen to even in critical situationss
HIgh End Sony Maybe even thier Professional Series - Look MDR Z702
HIgh End Sony Maybe even thier Professional Series - Look at MDR Z7M2
Specially designed drivers
How else do these headphones produce sound so accurately and powerfully? For one, the dynamic drivers are huge — 70mm to be exact. And new to this second-generation model: strong, aluminum-coated diaphragms that can move fluidly.
Sony also included a supersized neodymium magnet that doubles the circumference of the magnet used in the original MDR-Z27. That means the large, ultralight diaphragms start and stop quickly to reproduce mids and vocals with even greater precision and detail.
Rather than use a traditional grille, Sony opted for a Fibonacci pattern that helps keep air flowing in a specific way that lowers resonance.
It also helps produce smoother highs without harsh peaks.
Large vents on the bottom of both ear cups help accentuate the bass.
To be honest for the price of some of the best headphones I’ve ever heard I would be hard-pressed to choose the venerable HD 600 over them.
and just as a general guidance, these aren’t like talking about Sony XM fives or something this is like they’re very high-end, audiophile grade level headphone line
I own both and appreciate them both. HD600 for classical, opera and jazz. Sony for everything else!
I’m inclined to say I have similar preferences for headphones as you it would seem
That’s interesting I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the differences between the AKG k612 and the AKG 701
Do you think HD600 are that much noticeably better than HD660/HD6XX? I'd like to buy either one of them, but not sure if HD600/HD660 are worth x2 the price of HD6XX. On the other hand I have HD215 and been using them almost every day for 15 years (built better than a tank), so I think that even if I consider HD600 to be expensive, they may be worth the investment.
I bought the 6xx first but evenutally sold them for the 600 since I liked that the 600 had more treble/less midbass.
To me even though the 6xx sounds great I thought it was a little too relaxing and I wanted something a bit more exciting and the 600 did that for me. It is a minor change though so if you dont like the 6xx you wont like the 600 imo.
If you want the 600 I would encourage buying used since I agree its good amount more expensive than the 6xx. Either are worth the money since they will last forever.
I had the 6XX for a very long time but as soon as i tried the 600, it was a no brainer. 600 wins for me even if It's twice the price. If it sounds better then i prefer to pay the extra $$ and be happy. I'd always put back the 650 on the stand after 2-3 songs but with the 600 i can keep it for hours.
They are worth every penny. A gold standard.
in my personal opinion and listening experience HD 560s are definitely great headphones and certainly sounds great I would never say that they didn’t I just cannot imagine a scenario where somebody would listen to a pair of 560s and then put on a pair of HD 600’s back to back and say well it’s obvious I’m gonna walk away with a 560’s.
Indeed, I can’t even think of anybody’s opinion on Fidelity that I trust that would ever choose a pair of 560s over 600s after listening back to back.
Again not at the 560 just don’t have a certain flavor and signature character that’s quite pleasant- if I had to provide a word to describe, it would be very warm and almost colored like warm butterscotch.
However, the 560 will never have the driver reaction response in the low end of the six hundredths in terms of speed, nor tightness nor the firmness in the upper mid range, and especially not the very present clarity in the higher end that is just almost as perfect as a headphone can do just sloped at the absolute perfect point to retain accuracy yet almost obliterate any harshness and mind you it does all of this on probably the widest variety of musical source material that I can say but any other headphone has ever come close to retaining its character, strengths, and predictability as the 600’s in this regard.
I did the unimaginable.
I tried the HD 600 before I did the HD 560S. I was disappointed in the former (but eventually bought a pair anyway, because reasons), and loved the latter. A few months of owning both and I haven't changed my mind.
I can relate. After years of chasing the dragon up to and above $1K, I think I've finally decided that the HD6xx/650 is my endgame. I'll keep the 6xx & 660s forever.
Fellow 650 chad Although I just got a k240 sextett (I might make a post about it), and it might be sitting right next to me and my 6xx. It is a phenomenal can
If you like the Sextet you'll probably love the K240 DF. Tuned to diffuse field for use in the German broadcasting industry. I own a pair and they are incredibly natural sounding. I won't say neutral because highs and lows are rolled off, but the overall timbre and balance of FR is great. Plus you can use normal K240 parts if restoration is needed.
You need the HD600 to complete this beautiful collection!
I came super close to buying them when they were on sale for $279 during black Friday. I should have done it....
Haha That's when I got mine! I was going to get the 6xx because everyone said it has better bass, but when I saw the 600 on sale for not much more than the 6xx, I just went for it. I love them.
The bass under 60hz is almost the same on both models, 600 & 650 differ in the upper bass and low mids. For my taste the 650 has annoying resonance in these elevated frequencies ( in-between 70hz & 300hz ). (https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/downloads/schematics/headphone/hd600-vs-hd650-new-pads-2/)
Thanks! I have other headphones and IEMs that offer good bass (with some other tradeoffs), so I'm pretty happy with the 600s. I don't have anything else that sounds like them, except maybe the Dunu Titan S, in a small way.
absolutely agree I prefer the 600s to the others in this category bt a pretty long shot
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Is this sub sponsored by Sennheiser? This is like the millionth post about HD6X0-series and frankly it's getting a bit too much. I'm sure I will get downvoted by all the Sennheiser fanboys, but I don't mind that. I get why people like those cans but there are so many other headphones out there that are equally good if not better.
Its because its so easy to go to any tech store and buy sennheisers instead of having to either go long ways to a specialized audio store or buy online
I actually haven't seen HD6X0 in any tech store so far.
For me it is the fact that they have a long history of producing high quality reliable products. I baby my Sundaras in comparison because I do not have the same faith in a brand like Hifiman.
*Had. Sennheiser has sold their headphones division last year to some hearing aid company Sonova.
Implying they no longer have that history? The company is still run by the Sennheiser family. They actually had this to say about Sonova at time of sale:
“A partner who not only shares our passion for audio and a commitment to the highest product quality, but also very similar corporate values,” they write. “This is an excellent foundation for a successful future together.”
Will see what the new Sennheiser headphones lineup will be. Their recent wireless offers was pretty meh. So I don't really trust in corporate bullshit statement they have released.
Sorry. The Momentum 4 is an excellent sounding headphone. It is better than the wired HD600 for me. I do not feel there is any difference in wireless or wired sound at this point. Well done Sennheiser.
Sennheiser OG owns Neumann so the new NDH30 is from them
In fairness, it’s really hard to find any headphones that aren’t Bluetooth in an actual brick and mortar store these days
I agree, when I got my HD6XX they definitely didn't live up to their hype. They have amazingly good mids and accurate and natural tonal balance, which make them ideal headphones for playing human voices (like audio conference call, or listening to the talking heads on the Youtube), but for music listening especially if you are into something hardcore, like Grange, Garage, Anything-Metal, EDM or Rap, they are disappointing. For classical music I would also prefer something else. For $200 there are plenty of really good headphones like AKG K702, Grado SR225x, Beyerdynamics DT880Pro, or even HD560 to concentrate so much on HD6XX.
I am a drummer and while listening to my toones, I focus specifically on drums which are living in the corners of the spectrum - sub-bass (bass drum) and highs (cymbals of any kind) and HD6XX is delivering neither quantity, nor quality of those ranges.
As a /r/symphonicmetal fan, I completely agree with this.
HD 6x0s are old headphones made for old music. Said music genre was pretty much nonexistent at the time the HD 600 was released (as are many other modern genres that you mention), so it's obvious they weren't designed with that in mind. I prefer a number of newer and less expensive headphones.
I don't have a problem with people enjoying their 6x0s, I just want this kind of pretentious posts to stop.
I don't get it either
Sennheiser offers pretty good comfort and a sound signature most people will enjoy. I had been a fan for the last 4 years but I wanted to try something different. Bought and returned the K240 Studio, great sound (for the money) but they lack a lot of bass extension to me. Today I got Philips X2HRs, first impressions are very positive. To me, the HD 600 line has a very unique midrange and soft treble. Everything else isn't that great compared to the competition IMO in the same price ratio. I get your frustration but most people first hifi headphones are usually Sennys.
Oh, you’ll never get that gonna be a set of decay series line of AKG’s those Philips headphones, bump
yeah , but sennheiser , beyer, sony ,
these company is more popular than other brand.
Sorry
Lol you'd almost think so - I’ll try to help. I think is a very good point of reference of a different company with a very different signature that somehow closely in the arena of what Sennheisers are often widely acclaimed characteristically - there’s a massive matching model of Beyerdynamic headphones that will offer a very interesting informative contrast in sound differences, which might reveal a preference for one over the other.
Interestingly somehow one can do this, and managed to hear quite a difference in character and sound presentation. Well, somehow still keeping the core characteristics of what people typically seek in the 600 series easily, in focus for very revealing and interesting comparison, but I think it’s worthwhile everybody tries they have the opportunity I found it quite revealing very revealing and interesting and comparison, I think it’s worthwhile to anyone to try if they have the opportunity - I found it quite revealing, and I was much more easily able to separate the individual characteristics a preferred in each
8 out of 10 of my total downvotes are from Sennheiser HD6 series comments. It’s futile but often humorous swimming against a brainwashed tide of lemmings.
They aren't even that good. 650/6XX in particular have so many issues, it has decent mids and basically nothing else.
The fact that everyone calls them their endgame tells me that they either don't know any better, or don't care about anything other than timbre and mids. Which you can get them just as good in other headphones after EQ.
Tbf timbre matters a lot, especially if you need one headphone to listen for hours while working/studying. Also reliability is a thing, and hd 600 it's pretty good on that, just a great all-rounder with a inoffensive timbre
I'm not saying that they're endgame for everyone, at least it's not for me, I still want to risk a Focal Clear or an Hifiman Arya someday. But they can surely be an endgame or have its place in anyone's collection
Timbre is a reflection of frequency response, though. Which can be changed.
And no, I'm not saying that frequency response is literally everything, but timbre is a property of instruments, and its essentially the properties of an instrument that make it sound like... well, itself.
So for good timbre to be correct, that means that the tonality of the headphone has to be accurate to your ears in that respect, which is, again, frequency response.
That's why I don't put much importance on a headphone's timbre, because if I have issues with that specific property of the headphone, I can just fix it with EQ.
With the 6XX, it has recessed treble (EQ thankfully helps), really muddy bass with no texture or definition (EQ hasn't helped this, have tried for a while), and all the frequencies smear together compared to other headphones because the driver is over-dampened. Yeah, the mids and timbre are good, but the rest of the sound suffers as a result. I'd rather just get a headphone without these issues, and tune the mids to be similar to the 650/6XX, so I can get its benefits and the rest of them as well.
That's why I disagree so heavily with the recommendation. It's way too expensive for what you get, there's better-sounding (I know, subjective, but at least in terms of the rest of the frequency range), options both more expensive and less expensive.
I still have my 6XX, right next to me. Sometimes I'll put them on, give them a listen to see if there's anything I'm actually missing about them, but all it ends up doing is make me appreciate how much better almost everything else is.
I had the focal clear OG and the Arya Stealth, but hifiman is superior to my ears. Arya aren't necessarily endgame as hifiman release headphones none stop. So the upgrade/sidegrade is a normal thing. That's why i said hd600 is endgame. Since 1997 Sennheiser released 2 other models ( 650 & 660s ) in the 6 series. So i'm good for a long time with it.
> Arya aren't necessarily endgame as hifiman release headphones none stop. So the upgrade/sidegrade is a normal thing. That's why i said hd600 is endgame. Since 1997 Sennheiser released 2 other models ( 650 & 660s ) in the 6 series. So i'm good for a long time with it.
This is a genuinely bizarre definition of endgame. New models alter your perception of your holding's value?
It depends i prefer the 1997 model from Sennheiser, i tried every headphone from serie 6 to 8. Hated serie 8 open or closed. It's my endgame in Sennheiser actually, not in my audio life ;)
These are two of headphones that I really have my eyes, maybe someday on the future. Definitely will keep my HD 660s for a long time too, as I just love their tonality :)
Midrange and timbre are very important to me, which is why I pretty much enjoy the 600's sound more than other headphones I've tried. But I do listen to my K701's from time to time for something unique.
HD600 is a much, much better headphone than the 650/6XX. It's basically the same driver as the 650, except it isn't over-dampened. Its only real downside is the bass roll-off, but everything else about it IS good, and you can EQ the 'boring' parts of it to be more lively without much issue.
It's kind of like a much, much better version of the KSC75, which to my ears, still sounds better than the 6XX/650, lol
Sounds like I made the right call then lol. I haven't heard the 650, and don't have any plans to, but I have heard the Rode NTH-100, which did sound overdampened and blunted.
Oh for sure, those things are probably Sennheiser's best, imo. At least in terms of tonality.
Enjoy them, they tend to last forever as well.
I would rather return a headphone than need to EQ it. Too hard to sync the EQ across all devices. Plus it’s just not my jam ,I’d rather get new headphones to fix my sound.
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I have never heard a headphone that didn't need EQ, so your strategy doesn't really work in my experience. Even my favorite headphones have things about them that need correcting. Plus, EQ is very easy to apply across devices, takes a minute or two at most if you've already made a profile.
The perfect headphone does not exist. That is why we have the tools to make them into what we want.
Glad it works for you :) just doesn’t for me.
Heeere come the fanboy downvotes!! Lol
I'm fairly used to it, lol. No one likes hearing that their favorite might not be as good as they think it is.
People can like what they like, no debating that. But when people say that there's nothing beyond this, I'm like, "Buddy, you're using a headphone that's good at like two things out of eight. Don't even go there."
But that's okay, Reddit is free to Reddit all it wants. I don't expect the hivemind to change course.
Next step chord mojo 2 and more expensive cans?
Had been rocking the hd600s up until recently. Got some money back on taxes and decided to splurge on some LCD-Xs. While they are better in most ways (and especially for EDM and house) they are not close to 5 times better. I’d say 15-20% better for everything except EDM or house. You got your eyes on an upgrade yet? 😏
I will receive my Luxury Precision W2-131 as an upgrade, next week. I'm not looking for an upgrade, this was actually a downgrade. Newborn soon 😍
Except there is no real sub-bass. That would be my biggest problem with the 600, and was my biggest complaint about the 650.
Otherwise they are pretty great.
At least i was aware of this downside. For sub-bass, it's better to stay with a closed back headphone or IEM ( In this price range ).
The Focal Elex though, for example, at least in my opinion has some decent sub-bass extension though.
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The huh-duh six hunjos from ol’ mate Senny
My thoughts exactly
I’m glad I’m not the only one
Exactly. Just get any HD600/650/660s etc and that's good enough.
No need to upgrade any further.
Depending on how far you are in your journey, after 20 years in this hobby i still roll gear. But the hd600 is so soft, clear, and calm, it checks those criteria of my want list. (I don't like the elevated upper bass/low mids on the hd650)
Nah, they are flawed, even after EQ.
HD600 is about the closest, but your can do so much better than the 650/6XX. They have so many problems with their sound.
Sundara with EQ is a much closer "one and done" purchase.
God forbid you have an opinion lol
I've never tried a Sundara, but I'm sure you're right. With the Ananda you know what's the true HiFi sound
I’ve tried 6XX, Sundara and settled on Anandas for endgame. I find that they are better in every way to the 6XX except for that magic midrange. If I could transplant the warm luscious mids into the Anandas I would never consider buying another pair of cans. I guess that’s the price you pay for better resolution and soundstage.
Eggcup for the win!
It's mostly because they have good extension on both the low and high end, and low distortion overall. So if you get a pair that works (buy Open-Box), you can basically mold them into just about anything you want.
Agree to disagree.
How different we all are here and how times change. The HD600 was my beginner can until I discovered more open, less veiled sound quality. But I enjoyed it for a long time before the newer revelations.
I remember my first headphones
Mmm… nah
you can call me insane, maniac, crazy fallow or even dumb, but to my ears, the 58X sound better than the 600 and is even cheaper... I know I know, people will gonna kill me, but some times the one killed is the saviour........
At the end of the day, we all have to remember it’s always preference we’re buying these for ourselves, right? And being in a conversation like this is evidence that we are aware that better headphones then Beats exist - any preference that’s backed with even a modicum of knowledge is the right headphone for you
How do you like the BTR7?
I’m trying to decide between a Schiit stack or just going with a BTR7.
It is very versatile and powerful ( balanced 4.4mm ). I run the HD600 flawlessly with the BTR7. I run my IEMs on it too. It depends on what you're doing while listening to music. If you are stationary, i suggest you get a desktop DAC/AMP.
Have you noticed any differences sound-wise when listening to your HD600 plugged in BTR7 vs when you plug them directly into your phone? I'm looking for my first amp/dac to power my hd600, and opinions are divided about how much power you need to get the best out of them. Initially I thought about getting a BTR5/7, but some say you need a more powerful amp to get the best ouf of them. (Currently looking at fiio k7)
The BTR5 can power the HD600’s, you should be okay.
Velcome!!! Check out the Oratory1990 EQ for them. It makes my 660s sound a lot more balanced to me.
I will try it for sure, thanks 👍 Which one is your favorite 660s or Sundara??
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I like hd660s , but the treble is not my taste .
So , that's my change.
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They are the endgame until you hear a AKG K702 and get stunned by the soundstage or Sundara/Edition Xs and kneel to their sub bass and detail 😂
I have to confess I have simply never heard of a soundstage that comes anywhere near the K702s - if that soundstage sensation is something that really is pleasing to your ear no headphones is it better than the 702s and I work in developing various forms of audio and DSP type software, and essentially have an unlimited budget of headphones that I can purchase and use the aid in developing for example, an app that can go on your iPhone, which can perfectly replicate a tube guitar amplifier by profiling even your own amplifier, using several complex artificial intelligence processes, and a lot of other audio trickery involving masking of frequency location-based or object based speaker designs that nearly always can sound like they’re in the center of the room so I said occasional listen to lots of headphones for lots of reasons IF soundstage. Is it AKG is definitely who call
I have X2HRs so when I purchased K702 for just 99£ I thought they weren't going to be a much bigger improvement surely , I was definitely wrong because they have good imaging too so it adds even more to the sense of soundstage
Absolutely they really are a remarkable feat of headphone design as essentially they just should by all relative standards of sound design driver action - their open back construction be able to so precisely focus the attention of the listener to the most important element of any material that you evaluate them with & somehow the concept of what open back headphones allow for insofar as the allowance of space a sense of separation by function of their build somehow goes to a place where the most perfect sense of their actually being “true air” in the space that occupies a near perfect sense of the depth that is usually so minimal most never comment on the quality that all open backs should provide. And the AKG’s do it effortlessly and perfectly. It’s really a sense of magic in those headphones
Really great headphones and surprised no one else is recommending them more often 🤔. Also I am having am issue with the pads, they are really stiff ,have you tried after market pads on the K702 ?
I have not personally no.
In fact, one of the many reasons I am so totally thrilled about them is the stiffness of the pads particularly in direct opposite of every other headphone cup pad from AKG’s quite uniquely designed cups that run from the lowest their high range…
So I don’t want to speak for the 702, as I have not tried the aftermarket parts for those AKG’s particularly, however I have, having the exact opposite experience as your issue you used many different pad cups for various AKG’s other then the 702’s which are from what I can tell pretty much very similar if not the same quality options available for the 702’s - I regret to say I’m just totally blanking on the company that I preferred the most, and I know others have had good success with when I get my other office. I’ll do my best to try to track down the name for you and send you a DM if that works?
Thanks pal
Makes me wanna pull out the 650s from their box and try to figure out what everyone likes about them. I don't get it.
That's not a HD650 m8te. The HD650 isn't on the HD600 level unfortunately..
I love my 580s
I'm glad you enjoy them. While I really liked what they sound like, I actually really enjoyed it, I couldn't wear them for longer than 20 minutes. The clamping pressure is so high and the headband got so uncomfortable that I had to send them back. It's really unfortunate.
And then you listen to an Arya Stealth...
It's just on the other HP stand, don't worry
I have HD650. I never heard the 600’s. How do they compare?
hd6 is similar stuff.
The 600 has less upper bass and low mid energy, which is what i prefer. Both are very similar, just tweaking.
I really like the sound overall of the HD650, just wish it had a little more low end. But for a flat sound it is very good. Does the 600 also require a strong amp? I tried many amps with the 650 and the cheapest I could find that had enough power was a Schiit stack Magni/modi
It also has a 300ohm driver. HD600 is more neutral, clear, open and forward sounding. For the low end i use IEMs primarily, being closed helps a lot for the sub-bass.
You can run it no problem with a Topping DX1 lol, with 40-50% headroom to spare at good volume
I tried many amps and none where enough power to drive them with good volume when I wanted. That topping tops out at 51 mW at 300 ohms while the Magni puts out 410 mW at the same ohm. Huge difference in power. In fact, the Magni puts out more power at 600 ohms reaching 215 mW.
Sheesh I'd be deaf by then, Xduoo MT602 at only 1/4 turn gets it at maximum volume regular listening lol
I tried the HD600s, HD800s, Arya stealth and LCD X on a chord Hugo TT2. I really think they are not worth the money. You get something more open but not by much and it's not better just different. They were all very similar but the clarity and timbre on the HD600 were better than the LCD X for example. However the LCD X had better bass extension but to me this is less important. You should try a Chord DAC !
I did this same comparison, except for the hd600 change it for a focal clear. My favorite was the Arya>ClearOG>LCDX2021=HD800s
I can't see these anymore without thinking "Hur-Dur Six-hungeoes from old mate Senny".
had my HD600 for about 20 years, still use them every day with the laptop, Fiio ka3 and a balanced cable, really thought they were my end game until I bought the cheapest stax set the srm 252s and the L300s with the socal mod for a bit more bass.
Once you hear electrostatics you will either go not for me or wonder how you can save for a better energizer or further up the line, though these will do very nicely for now...
Well said
Famous last words. :)
But the entire HD 600 series is comprised of damn fine headphones. Enjoy.
Especially the hd600, i prefer it over the 2 others
These were my endgame before getting Clear MGs which became my endgame now I'm already shopping around again. Rabbit hole acquired.
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For me, if you use Oratory1990's EQ preset then these really offer so much that anything more is just luxury unless one listens to EDM, metal etc that need a bit more and cleaner bass and even then they're fine.
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Is it an original audio cable?
I'm new to the hobby, currently have the SHP9500 and planning to get one of the HD600 or 650 (whichever is on sale). May I ask what those wires are? It doesn't look like the one from their websites. I'm also looking into wires, dac, amp to get the best output but I can't find a simple explanation to get me started.
That's definitely not the original cable 🙂 I have bought an aftermarket cable on amazon with a balanced 4.4mm termination. The Fiio BTR7 does have a balanced output ( more power ). 650 and 600 aren't the same, i hope you get the one which satisfies you first haha.
I've had HD800S and Utopias and still came back for the HD600. The only headphone I want to try that might replace it for me is the R70X. I've used the ADX5000 and they were so light and comfortable.
R70x image and stage better with a couple db more relaxed upper mids, fuller sub bass and treble extension, but crucially they do not have the organic feeling midrange and microdynamics that bring the hd600 to life. I like r70x for electronic and gaming, and hd600 for everything with vocals.
I have the 660s and never tried the 600's. EQ'd the 660s and it was a wow for me, but was looking for something a little bit more. Went to the 800s. EQ'd em and swapped out the headband cushion for something more comfortable and now I'm never looking back. I'll prob get the 64audio A12t as my first and only IEM if I ever jump into that market. Congrats on your endgame.
A12t is the custom version of the u12t. I hope it fills your needs.
I know, universal buds I always had comfort issues with.
Hello audio-noob here, what does technical or fun sounding mean? And when would you want neutral phones over fun ones?
I actually love using the HD600 for gaming as well since the soundstage is super wide and detailed, which helps me pinpoint enemy movements
Huh? 600 with wide soundstage? You have a defective unit 😂
The unicorn unit everyone wants
You may realize this after you come full circle..
To me it’s always between this and the 650. I don’t own either but I always listen to them every time I went to my usual shop. There are more expensive and exotic cans which does some or many things better but I felt most at home with the 600s and 650s. I stopped drooling at headphones after my HD25 and went for iems after that, but if there’s one more over-ear I wanna add it’s these.
Love my senns but stax is my endgame.
Huh-duh six hundros
When you listen to them on a tube amp, it gets even better.
I think the sander offers a different sonic quality due to its method of operation that makes it a fair comparison for preference again just my opinion
hurr durr six hundos
I just bought the audeze lcd-GX those are my endgame😊🙏
i see that you are into sub-bass ;) !
While good, i'd say really good, not endgame :D. Tho that is subjective.
If I had to I could use my 6xx's as my one and only pair, but it's nice to change it up occasionally.
Wake the Fk up samurai, Senheisser just released new model for 600 series
I don't need a more basshead headphone, I don't need to wake up I'll stick with my neutral HD 600.
After seeing a leaked post of the HD660 S2, you might get the next gen version
Hopefully they give what the basshead wants to be part of the party, compete with the Focal elex, Audeze lcd-2 fazor
I love my 600's i still make it a point to use them 3 or 4 times a week. Granted since i got my clear mg's they have taken up some of my 600's time, but for those long relaxing sessions, the 600 just disappear on my head. They will always have a place in my small collection.
I love my 600's. I make it a point to listen to them 3 or 4 days of the week. They are what got me into the rabbit hole. Don't get me wrong i absolutely love my Clear MG's but for the longer sessions the 600's just disappear on my head. They will always have a place in my modest collection.
I've used the 6XX for years, i should have tried the 600 before haha
Yep, no argument here.
My first real DAC was a benchmark, nice to see this!
I just got it last month for €200.
Great sounding dac, use it as a headphone amp for now.
Might integrate it in my 2 channel set as a standalone dac.
Currently using a highly modified Behringer Ultracurve Pro DEQ 24/96 as roomcorrection/dac.
I have the 6xx paired with a xduoo ta-03s with upgraded tubes. This was end game for me. Music through this setup literally gives me a euphoric feeling in the same aspect a psychedelic mushroom can. Not near the intensity of a psychedelic obviously but small subtle hints of euphoria surging through my stomach and body. Like 1/100th of the euphoria psychedelics can give you, but still enough to notice and feel great from the blissful inviting warmth of the music
Nice pair, but wires are ugly as fuck.
Mediocre setup but if you like it, this is all that counts.
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I dare you to say this again in 6 months or when the next sale occurs 🤣🤣🤣