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newaccount721 t1_jclbyg3 wrote
That is very interesting. Thanks for the references.
za4h t1_jclts4d wrote
It sounds like the nature of the question is can a virus endogenous to the host creature infect that creature?
-Metacelsus- t1_jclu1iy wrote
If it's endogenous then the creature is already infected.
Uncynical_Diogenes t1_jcm5rm0 wrote
They might carry it, sure, but I’d argue it was likely their great-grandparent^nth that was actually infected.
I think this line of inquiry is more about re-emergence of previously-dormant ERVs. As a human, some ~1-8% of my DNA is ERVs, depending on who you ask, but I’m pretty confident that I was never infected by any of them myself. I was just born carrying them.
Neurokeen t1_jcmt6y7 wrote
It actually gets to a really interesting question as to "what counts as infected?"
If there's latent proviral inserts that never activate and propagate, to the point that they're ubiquitous in the DNA of the host, then it strains the definition a bit in most contexts. If you're doing genomics then for those purposes it makes sense to call it an infection. If you're doing something at the level of epidemiology, then probably not.
Having a bunch of boundary cases in definitions is pretty much a staple for biology though, so it's not worth losing any sleep over.
babar90 t1_jcmqnd7 wrote
Can't we argue that by definition a live virus should have a reproduction number strictly greater than 1 (ie. exponential) and be able to spread from cells to cells? For PERV-A seems they obtain exponential replication in human 293T cells https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2950858/figure/pone-0013203-g001/
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supapoopascoopa t1_jcjvu3o wrote
Endogenous retroviruses are defective, only vertically transmitted like other genes, and none yet found are competent to produce virions. But they are all in some sense heritable infections and also “infect” new cells every time a cell divides.
Some can produce proteins and even entire viral like particles using host machinery. These proteins are associated with autoimmune diseases and certain cancers. One could argue these are “active” infections in terms of causing symptoms.
The takehome message as usual is that nature in general and viruses in particular don’t give a hoot about arbitrary definitions.
Reisevi3ber t1_jclq4q5 wrote
Which ones can cause autoimmune diseases and cancers?
Uncynical_Diogenes t1_jcm6cq8 wrote
“Which ones” is probably not a super stellar question because they probably have quite boring technical names, and the list of ones we actually have found and named is likely much smaller than the list of potential causative agents.
References 4-7 of the linked text:
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Some rheumatic conditions and at least one cancer have been at least linked to expression of human ERV’s, if not necessarily the causative agents of such.
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docmeow t1_jcmxth0 wrote
While not really an endogenous retrovirus capable of causing disease by itself, this occurs to an extent in cats. In cats, Feline Leukemia Virus (FeLV) is present as both an exogenous retrovirus, and integrated into the genome several times as an endogenous retroviruses. Several strains of FeLV Subtype B occurs when the "env" region of endogenous FeLV recombines with exogenous FeLV. This "new" virus is not generally considered transmissible, but causes cancers to develop in the cat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8387034/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7152252/
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yakiddenme1 t1_jcm7wcz wrote
Yes, almost all endogenous viruses will cause an active infection with symptoms of one kind or another if an organism is stressed enough. But sometimes the symptoms these viruses cause can actually be for the betterment or detrement of the host.
-Metacelsus- t1_jcl2krs wrote
Yes. Porcine endogenous retroviruses (PERVs) can infect human cells in cell culture.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm0397-282
A biotech company made a gene-edited pig a few years ago with all of the PERVs knocked out. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5813284/
The goal is to have a safer source of organs for xeno-transplantation. Giving a pig organ with PERVs to an immuno-suppressed patient is a bad idea.