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DickweedMcGee t1_izayurc wrote

I never understood the recent anti immigration sentiment, especially when we knew we'd be having labor shortages in the near future. We need like 4M workers across the country. And it's not a quick process either. It took these people at least 5 years to get their citizenship.

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nicksgirl88 t1_izbhifi wrote

I'm one of those immigrants that became a US citizen in the past year. It took me 4 years from when I applied for mine. And I was a spousal immigrant, which is the fastest category. It takes most people years longer.

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mattski69 t1_izc7s8w wrote

Welcome! I hope you find health, happiness and prosperity for yourself and your family.

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saintly_devil t1_izbpw3v wrote

Took my wife and I 10+ years to just get a fucking green card. This system is so archaic, broken and prone to administrative BS that it's a better option to come here illegally.

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7imeout_ t1_izbpcm8 wrote

I assume you’re including the process to applying for and obtaining the permanent resident status (green card) in this timeline, right?

Since, for spousal immigration and naturalization, the period you must be a permanent legal resident prior to N-400 application is 3 years instead of the standard 5.

But subtracting the green card holder period, your naturalization process only took about a year, then?

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nicksgirl88 t1_izbqid4 wrote

Yes, that includes the green card process. After my 3 years were over, it took me 1 month because I applied 3 months before my 3 year period was over from getting the green card, and it took only 4 months to naturalization from application. It took a year to get the green card.

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rukioish t1_izbbvkw wrote

I'd like to imagine anyone other than the very extreme fringe groups are always pro legal immigration. Most countries have very strict regulations on immigration so that potential immigrants need to prove they can be functioning and contributing members of society. This is good.

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Sariel007 t1_izbjjvv wrote

No no. Acording to Faux^^^^^entertainment Newz* the U.S.A. has open borders when the Dems are in office. Strangely not a word about open borders when Republicans are in office. Must be some kind of switch they flip in the Oval office. Also anytime an election is coming up there are migrant caravans lined up at the border that only Republcans can stop. Not sure why they are lined up at the border trying to get in... they said the borders are open!

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Admirable_Ad1947 t1_izbnsup wrote

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's not really true. In reality the US population is split into almost exactly 3rds regarding their thoughts on this issue

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aliesterrand t1_izepysk wrote

Have wages increased to fill the demand? If not I'd have to question if they really want to fill those positions.

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Proxymal t1_izb4c5x wrote

I would have no problem with immigrants if housing was available. A studio apartment in my area starts at 1700 a month because there's a housing shortage and high demand. A 3 bedroom starts at 3500. So you have a family of immigrants able to live in the town I grew up in, but I cannot afford to house my family where I live any longer. We may need the jobs and don't get me wrong, most immigrants are hard workers. But provide the housing along with it.

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redd5ive t1_izbehfh wrote

Seems like your beef should be with the corporations scooping up homes and apartments as opposed to immigrants.

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Proxymal t1_j20br1b wrote

My beef isn't with immigrants over corporations. I'm just saying it doesn't help when anyone and their uncle can come over and increase the prices of the housing market.

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IAmRobertoSanchez t1_izc3561 wrote

I think we live in the same place because the prices are about right. I'm certain the immigrant families can't afford $1,700 a month for a studio either.

Instead of scapegoating people for looking for a better life, we should join forces against greedy landlords that keep jacking up the rent and a housing system where prices never go down because people are leveraging their current assets too buy more rental properties.

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Proxymal t1_izc66sn wrote

It's not landlords per say. If a house sells in a neighborhood for an amount above market value, the houses around it go up to. This is how the market justifies demand of an area. The landlords have every right to ask for more money when the property and that area are in high demand. What doesn't help with this is lack of housing and new housing being built.

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TucsonTacos t1_izcbhpf wrote

They’re building plenty of new luxury homes and apartments though! /s

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IAmRobertoSanchez t1_izcikox wrote

Is it the new legal immigrants that are buying property above asking price? Or wealthy people / companies planning to rent them out to families like ours that can't afford to buy and can barely afford to rent?

Back to your original comment about new legal immigrants flooding the housing market and pricing you out if your houseing. Do you still feel that way after this exercise?

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Proxymal t1_izcwhia wrote

There's a lot more.to it than immigrants. But it's certainly not helping at least in my area. You have a great point though. I simply can't help but feel a little sour when part of the reason demand is so high along with rent is because people keep moving here and are able to move into a 2 bedroom with 8 people. My family of 4 including myself just can't keep up with the rising prices. A big part of it is of course that it's a nice place to live. There's housing out there that's not outrageous. But that's just not the case in my home town where I've resided for 31 years.

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Aert_is_Life t1_izel0tn wrote

That house just sold to a leasing company who is going to paint it and rent it out for $2000 or more per month.

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Lady_Marigold t1_izba8ag wrote

Really? Over here an entire apartment is 500 a month

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omgdiaf t1_izbq3m8 wrote

And where is over here?

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Lady_Marigold t1_izbqhe9 wrote

Northwest Arkansas. Plenty of immigrants, native people, and more specifically in the area I'm in. plenty of housing.. almost too much to go around. People come in and leave for better places all the time.

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RedditOR74 t1_izg0tbu wrote

>lenty of immigrants, native people, and more specifically in the area I'm in. plenty of housing.. almost too much to go around. People come in and leave for better places all the time.

You answered that question with "better places".

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Lady_Marigold t1_izoscpv wrote

I mean it's not like we live in a dump. hell it's actually getting better, and infrastructure is being rebuilt. by "better places" I meant leaving arkansas, because frankly the place is soon to be run by a crazy trump loving woman named sanders who wants to take away rights from poc and lgbtq people.

all of that sucks, but, in the meantime the rent is cheap and the place is slowly getting better.(and to be frank, progressive places aren't the best spots for poorer people in america considering that a lot of those places are built for upper-middle class people)

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RedditOR74 t1_izqu9fo wrote

LOL, nothing at all wrong with NW Arkansas. My comment was more to underscore the power of perception. Better is of course subjective to what you want in a place. For most, that means better employment, but those places often come with much higher living costs, so not much is gained. Some like urban lifestyle and convenience, others like a more reclusive lifestyle and nature. The key is to figure out what one likes and to accept the good and bad that comes with it.

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Mydogroach t1_izcktfh wrote

3 bed room house is under 1200/month where i live. maybe 1500 with an exceptionally large yard or highly sought after location

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Mydogroach t1_izckjmv wrote

the housing shortage is artificial caused by air bnb and other rental companies/corporations that are buying up and renting every property they can

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Weaselpiggy t1_izbf38f wrote

It’s easy to understand when you look at the number of people who watch Fox News.

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Kattekop_BE t1_izd6ads wrote

they are so desperate for new workers they keep on lowering benefits, do not increas wages, lowering respect for botom libe workers, constant researching if they can move labour out of the country etc...

The import of immigrants grants companies workers with lower standards for pay, compensations, bonusses etc..

Also, the import of immigrants = importing a culture that loves 50-100 years behind when it comes to social stuff (compare central Europe to Morocow for instance)

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TheNextBattalion t1_izev9qd wrote

It's easier to point at foreigners as the source of your problems than it is to point at people you've been holding in prestige (billionaires, grandparents, etc).

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ir_a_leopard t1_izfh0o6 wrote

Or you know, just have kids. I'm personally against all immigration to this country and want the people already here to have children.

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DickweedMcGee t1_izh1ify wrote

Ok just hang tight for 18-24 years till we can breed a new labor force here..

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ir_a_leopard t1_izh4or8 wrote

It won't be smooth sailing but it what must be done instead of importing people that don't share American values.

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DickweedMcGee t1_izhozw8 wrote

I'm afraid to have to tell you this, my friend, but most US Citizens probably don't share the 'American Values' that you subscribe to....

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ir_a_leopard t1_izjvo10 wrote

Lol no need for quotation marks. American values are laid out in our founding documents, which includes The Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Ideals which you should "subscribe to" or honestly, leave. Ironically, immigrants take an oath to The Constitution, and then overwhelmingly vote for politicians that want to limit or completely take away one's rights enumerated in it, such as the right to freely speak, bear arms, and have due process, among other rights. And yes you're right, many born and bred Americans don't support those rights, which is a major issue that can be solved through education.

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Jahobes t1_izbwni4 wrote

Because the recent anti immigration sentiment isn't new. Look at American history right up until the revolution... We've been in a perpetual pro-anti immigration battle from the start.

The country in which most people are coming from today... Their grandchildren and great grandchildren will be harping on the next wave whom ever they may be where ever they come.

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MarkXIX t1_izbp2ts wrote

Cue Tucker Carlson's dumb fucking face making this a week's worth of episodes that alludes to white supremacist bullshit.

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WedoDeBarba t1_izdmyd5 wrote

My wife included! Such a trip to think you can meet someone from across the world with an entirely different language, upbringing, and worldview, and somehow that’s your soulmate - fuckin a….

Welcome to America all you folks from around the world - we are thrilled to have you!

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MrPoopyButthole5812 t1_izbrrzz wrote

Thank God! Land of the free. That was always our "Moto" Until Trumps racist ass wanted to build wall and made immigrants taboo! Welcome to the USA. Although it may not be what you expected I wish you the best of luck

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Easy_Independent_313 t1_izcikch wrote

It must be really shitty other places for people to be breaking records to be American. So, yay?

Welcome, new Americans! Our country is made stronger and more vibrant with you as a part of it.

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TheNextBattalion t1_izevifq wrote

Sometimes, sometimes people immigrate for love, or for work they could do at home, but someone in the US was hiring.

If place B is better place A might still be good. Just not as good for that person's life.

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caveyh96 t1_izepffa wrote

Why's this uplifting news? Doesn't this show we have a problem in this world?

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SwitcherooU t1_izf0i6i wrote

Maybe, maybe not. But it’s nice to know that america is still perceived as a place where people can find a better life. And God knows we need the labor. Some of those low-skill jobs are basically tailor-made for first-gen immigrants. It’s a good deal all around.

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4uk4ata t1_izf3xns wrote

Immigrants have to jump through hoops and show qualifications to become US citizens. It is indeed a good way to welcome driven and productive people to a country built by welcoming driven and productive people.

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caveyh96 t1_izii510 wrote

They should have to jump through hoops to start. Also, shouldn't the question be asked why so many people are trying to immigrate in the first place?

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1893Chicago t1_izf2k1t wrote

Wait... you think immigrants coming to this country and becoming US citizens is a problem?

Please explain.

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caveyh96 t1_izii8p2 wrote

Immigration as it is isn't a problem. But isn't it worth asking why so many people are fleeing from their country in the first place? And how we can fix this.

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1893Chicago t1_izin70x wrote

You want to fix the problems in their countries instead of welcoming them into our country.

Do I have that correct?

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caveyh96 t1_izix0oe wrote

I mean, I don't think illegal immigration is a good thing at all. I would never blame an illegal immigrant however, as I have been to places where people have fled and they are just looking for a safe life for themselves and generally would rather stay in their country. I don't think we should just let anyone in however.

The second point you are correct. If their are high numbers of immigrants it must mean the country they are going to is currently "better" than the one they are fleeing and this should be fixed.

Leagl immigration I have little problem with.

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1893Chicago t1_izj1tjm wrote

> I mean, I don't think illegal immigration is a good thing at all.

Oh.

But that's not the topic here at all.

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MJsLoveSlave t1_izfhgey wrote

Red Hats must losing their collective shit.

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ShapeyShifter t1_izkmsq1 wrote

Immigrants keep the American dream alive!

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redroux t1_izf60zo wrote

Begs the question with so much anti-American sentiment I see on Reddit, why are so many people immigrating there?

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ToaDrakua t1_izfgxqo wrote

Because a good chunk of the world happens to suck even more, and despite being in the best position to help, the US is an incredibly selfish place with a million cracks to fall through.

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redroux t1_izfnlbg wrote

>despite being in the best position to help

But if they accept immigrants and are also the largest provider of foreign aid in the world, how are they not helping?

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ToaDrakua t1_izfxfcs wrote

The aforementioned selfishness and cracks, which makes it so the US is constantly at war with its own proposed ideals.

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Raine46 t1_izc7cmw wrote

A lot of the posts in this community are very uplifting, but I love how often people passive aggressively post political issues so they can rub their views in the faces of others who can't disagree with them without violating the community rules. gif

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CobaltEmu OP t1_izcxxp8 wrote

A lot of the comments in this community are very uplifting, but I love how often people passive aggressively post a “critique” about a post simply because in their mind, everything has to be inherently political. It seems to me that they like to post these passive aggressive “critiques” so they can rub their views in the faces of others who can't disagree with them without violating the community rules. ​What do you think?

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L-W-J t1_izcaawz wrote

All those former shithole residents are now Americans!

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