Submitted by ImperialIIClass t3_11bko7f in Pennsylvania
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Roxmysox68 t1_j9ybwmw wrote
Regulate it! Thats the phrase we need, people need to realize D8 is perfectly safe and has the same safety profile as D9 but this shit needs to be lab tested and not sold at a gas station where the attendant doesnt give af about age and will sell to kids. Designated smoke shops where you have to have ID to even enter would be enough.
Mijbr090490 t1_j9ygodl wrote
Yeah. I wouldn't mind it if it was safe. But it isn't in it's current form. But at that point, I don't see the appeal. It's not nearly as effective and if you can easily purchase d9 why would you opt for d8.
Gator1523 t1_j9zcw8z wrote
You can get safe Delta 8 by buying from a reputable brand. I only buy from one smoke shop near me, and I get the rest of my stuff on 3chi.
Roxmysox68 t1_j9yikgp wrote
I mean me personally i dont particularly like high doses of thc so D8 being about a third of the potency i can regulate my buzz a bit more. It also might be placebo but D8 feels less “speedy” than D9 for me. If i get regular flower from a shop its when they RARELY have a low thc high cbd strain. All the dispensaries around me only have high thc stuff and a lot less options in terms of type 2 flower. Theres 3 different kinds of flower for cannabis. A type 1 is a high thc strain for the people who like getting blasted. Then theres a type 2 which is a more evened out 1:1 ratio of thc to cbd. Then theres the type 3 which is just straight hemp flower, only cbd and non psychoactive cannabinoids like cbn, and cbg ect…
ILikeMyGrassBlue t1_j9zeppv wrote
Legalization would actually help with this a lot. When rec is legal, you sort of weed out all the people in the med program who just want rec. It frees up the med side to focus more on lower THC stuff that the rec folks don’t really want.
Roxmysox68 t1_ja510vj wrote
Truth, medical and recreational shops should absolutely be separate entities
johnnycobbler t1_ja07037 wrote
Smoke mids
mbz321 t1_ja105s0 wrote
Hah, it's hard to even find mids these days.
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Roxmysox68 t1_ja51gw4 wrote
You can get high quality flower thats not just stems and seeds and still have a more balanced cannabinoid profile. It looks and smells and tastes just like good quality bud but doesnt get you destroyed off two hits
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Gator1523 t1_j9zd0ue wrote
Just be careful with Delta 8. It feels nice, but I gained like 20 pounds because of it. The munchies come on hard. Delta 9o, on the other hand, barely gives me the munchies.
relaxificate t1_j9yigaw wrote
If I’m not mistaken, the one cannabis fatality in recent years was a child eating delta-8 gummies. So it would appear to not be as safe as D9.
Gator1523 t1_j9zd6nr wrote
Perhaps it was contaminated. Because you can't overdose on cannabinoids in general.
ILikeMyGrassBlue t1_j9zfm3m wrote
You actually can. The dose is just unbelievably massive, so massive that it’d basically be impossible unless you were trying to. Something like you’d have to smoke 1000 pounds in ten minutes lol.
Gator1523 t1_ja4320w wrote
I've heard it's roughly 1 gram per kilogram. So imagine eating two or three shot glasses worth of pure THC. It would cost thousands of dollars, and you'd probably choke to death before OD'ing.
relaxificate t1_j9zf3ze wrote
Yes perhaps it was; perhaps his death was entirely unrelated to cannabis. Whatever the explanation, what I said remains true: it appears D8 is less safe than D9; emphasis on the “appears”.
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Drugs_questions t1_ja5wv2v wrote
there are no cannabis fatalities ever
Roxmysox68 t1_ja5065f wrote
Im not saying your wrong but its an isomer of D9 and is found in the plant naturally and when you eat D8 it metabolizes into 11-hydroxy-thc which is exactly what D9 also metabolizes into when ingested orally. So it seems like the child probably had a preexisting condition and the D8 only exasperated whatever underlying condition, not necessarily meaning it was just D8 that was the sole cause of the death. Its a shame but no child should ever be consuming a product like that in the first place
hitness157 t1_j9zdv6i wrote
Yes. This is the way. Government always knows what's best and certainly nothing ever goes wrong?
ILikeMyGrassBlue t1_j9zf73i wrote
I’ve never gone blind from liquor, so they’re clearly pretty capable when it comes to regulating the safety of products.
Drugs need to regulated. People have the right know that the products they’re buying are as safe as possible and are as advertised. No one should have to worry about fent being in THC gummies.
Roxmysox68 t1_ja50vtx wrote
Thankyou, yeah look at prohibition and how bootleg liquor sometimes contained methanol which can cause blindness when the alcohol isnt distilled properly and methanol has a lower evaporating point and thus is one of the first products of the process that makes it to the end of the process. Other things like lead solder used in the copper fittings when building it and using things like car radiators as the condenser and the mash containers being left to ferment in the woods with mice and other animals falling into the barrels and dying. So yeah in terms of regulation it definitely helps to have laws in place for companies who give two shits about having a legit business
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Inert_Uncle_858 t1_j9ykv59 wrote
What does legalizing marijuana have to do with having fentanyl in it. They're two completely different drugs
Mijbr090490 t1_j9yla0x wrote
If it was legal and regulated, fentanyl wouldnt be making its way into the products. It's cross contamination or an attempt to make the products more addictive and feel stronger.
pnedito t1_j9ynp18 wrote
Using the word 'Marijuana' endorses systemic legacy racism. I personally prefer to use the word 'cannabis', but really most other names like 'weed', trees, devil's lettuce, etc. are viable substitutes in place of 'Marijuana'.
Fella_in_Paris_ t1_j9zqox2 wrote
Lmao tell me you’re trolling
RoteRoteRoteRoteRote t1_j9ztmzq wrote
He's not trolling and historically he's correct. The term marijuana was mainly coined by the man who pushed to make it illegal and claimed marijuana made black men rape white women.
But .... Nowadays no one thinks of any of that when they say marijuana
Miserable-Effective2 t1_ja0gnw4 wrote
I feel the same. Calling it "marijuana" is racist. It's like continuing to call Black people "colored" to me. Can we please just call it cannabis? I don't understand why you're getting a bunch of downvotes, you're right.
JustABiViking420 t1_ja272sl wrote
Because it's a dumb thing to start being pissy and about when everyone has been calling it marijuana for decades. It obviously doesn't hold that connotation anymore, meanings behind words change and trying to erase the use of it now is not only pointless but give it that power over you
Perlin-Davenport t1_j9yc18s wrote
Unfortunately, legalizing isn't solving the problem in Colorado. I'm not saying, don't legalize... I'm saying, legalization didn't solve this particular problem.
Letsgobuffalo2210 t1_j9ydg42 wrote
Legalizing it doesn't affect anything if you're still buying it from an illegal unregulated source. (In response to the first article)
Mijbr090490 t1_j9yghh8 wrote
Those are unregulated products. That stuff doesn't happen in the PA MMJ program because it is highly regulated and grown locally.
TherabbitTrix0 t1_j9yjxef wrote
That’s because people are still buying from scum bag dealers. If it’s legalized and regulated you have the option to buy from reputable sources.
Gothsicle t1_j9yeinl wrote
this why if you like your THC, you should seriously consider getting your medical card and get your shit from a dispensary.
jek39 t1_j9yp0x6 wrote
I just go to Jersey once a month now.
Jerryjb63 t1_j9z76sa wrote
I’m near the New York border and right on the border there’s an Indian Reservation that’s where I’ve been going. No state taxes as of now.
Snarktoberfest t1_j9zc60g wrote
Salamanca?
Groan_Of_Wind t1_ja09hx9 wrote
oh yes.
ksquad80 t1_ja0k5y2 wrote
You should look at getting a card. It's significantly less expensive.
jek39 t1_ja0mcx3 wrote
Yea I just feel weird lying to a doctor idk. That and putting my name on a list I guess
ksquad80 t1_ja0yfpa wrote
Yeah, if you use strictly for recreation that makes sense. But also know that you don't need to have severe or debilitating medical issues to qualify for a card, if you are using for stress management or a nagging injury it can qualify. Consultations can be done over the phone or online and are very straightforward.
As far as your name going on a list...your name is on a list anyway if you are going to Jersey.
mbz321 t1_ja1090h wrote
You don't have anxiety?
Captain_Hampockets t1_ja146vh wrote
Sometimes I get nervous on airplanes.
MikeTheCabbie t1_ja34owe wrote
IM SORRY!
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ksquad80 t1_ja19f73 wrote
PA is not West Coast cheap, but it's better than Jersey recreational prices. More options and sales.
Zestyclose_Minute_69 t1_ja20fwd wrote
With my med card I can get $28-35 eighths, but they usually are $40-60. I usually shop the sales, it is a perishable after all. And I’ve also found I like tincture and topicals for pain relief.
Mets_BS t1_ja1ekv2 wrote
80 for an 8TH? No way, I just bought 2 8ths, a quarter, and got a free gram for 80.00.
angeloistrash t1_ja0nlr5 wrote
hey could i ask is it really that easy to drive over to jersey and go to a dispo? does it matter if you have a PA id card? thanks
mbz321 t1_ja10ed5 wrote
Yes it's easy, it doesn't matter if you have a PA or whatever ID. The prices, at least when I stopped over the summer at a dispo, were pretty ridiculously high. If you are a frequent toker, it would be cheaper in the end to get a MMJ card, or find a friend with one :P
menofgrosserblood t1_ja0qtbs wrote
Really easy. Not all dispensaries in NJ are recreational. Cannabist is the closest to Philly, though the menu is limited for “adult use”. Nice people.
ahtzib t1_j9yprbx wrote
Or just don’t buy your d8 from sketchy brands in gas stations and smoke shops
Groan_Of_Wind t1_ja09odc wrote
Correct. There are reputable hemp dispensaries like Black Bear hemp dispensary
MrP3rs0n t1_j9z8w2h wrote
Too bad I seriously like my guns as well and i don’t see that issue being solved anytime soon
mbz321 t1_ja10nj4 wrote
joeco316 t1_ja114s3 wrote
Can anyone answer what are the actual implications of this? It is a federal judge, but every commentary I’ve read on it sounds more like a “step in the right direction” than an actual change. I would assume that this is now the law of the land, but that doesn’t seem to be accurate. Does it have to go to the Supreme Court first? That doesn’t seem to be how other federal rulings usually work, but I don’t know enough to say for sure. When and how would this ruling actually apply to everyone in the country?
dclxvi616 t1_ja2534c wrote
> When and how would this ruling actually apply to everyone in the country?
Probably when you end up in court you have your lawyer cite this ruling as precedent and hope your judge/circuit buys into it too.
joeco316 t1_ja3vsmu wrote
Thanks! My follow up would be how would one get to that point? Can local law and state law enforcement and local and state prosecutors go go after someone for this? If a local cop discovered this violation could they arrest someone for it or would they have to call in the feds? Would the feds bother? I guess the fact that the case being discussed started off with a traffic stop tells me local cops can somehow escalate it (though that wasn’t mmj I believe), but would love a more accurate picture of how that would happen. I know these are a lot of hypotheticals, I’m just trying to figure out what the realistic risk to a gun owner who gets an mmj card and mmj.
RefrigeratorGold8291 t1_ja0dep9 wrote
But you can no longer own guns if you get your med card.
Er3bus13 t1_j9yp5er wrote
Sure pay the state and lose your rights...
Critical_Band5649 t1_j9yvnv8 wrote
Not everyone gives a fuck about owning a gun. I'd rather live without chronic pain than have the right to buy a gun that I'll never purchase.
Er3bus13 t1_j9yw2ur wrote
If you are ok with signing away your rights that's fine. Not everyone is looking to do that and pay the state for the privilege. Shit should be legal across ed the board period.
insofarincogneato t1_j9z6vv0 wrote
I've yet to see prolific gun rights organizations support change in this law because they are Republican backed and the party has an anti weed stance. Going against their Republican donors would be suicide.
Maybe until it's legal across the board we should be convincing republican lobbying groups disguised as gun rights groups to actually advocate for freedom.
The GOP doesn't have a monopoly on gun ownership, make groups like the NRA more appealing🤷
Jerryjb63 t1_j9z7tww wrote
Just the people that are realistic and don’t want people that use drugs to have access to firearms. To be honest, I bet if you had a similar law with guns and alcohol, gun deaths would be severely cut. Having people use a depressant that impairs judgment and giving them a gun is a recipe for suicide or violence.
Expandexplorelive t1_ja2n8cw wrote
You're sorely mistaken if you think cannabis has a comparable effect to alcohol on someone's propensity for violence.
Jerryjb63 t1_ja5ilnq wrote
You’re sorely mistaken if you think cannabis effects everyone the same.
Expandexplorelive t1_ja5jwgi wrote
Where did I say it does?
Jerryjb63 t1_ja7zjue wrote
When you say “if you think cannabis has a comparable….”
That implies that alcohol effects everyone worse than cannabis and that’s not always the case. Especially if you have a first time user with mental health issues. I’m a daily user of cannabis, but let’s be honest about it. It’s not for everyone.
GoodLuckWithWhatever t1_ja2x35j wrote
You obviously know nothing about cannabis if you think cannabis and guns are a recipe for disaster.
Alcohol is the real problem but thats legal so we ignore it.
Jerryjb63 t1_ja5igcm wrote
I use cannabis daily. I also sold guns for 3 years at a gun store. I also think that things only change through compromise, and I don’t think it’s ridiculous to not want people using drugs around guns…
Also, my point was that alcohol and guns do cause a lot of deaths. I know of at least 3 people personally that have killed themselves under the influence of alcohol. If we had a law that prevented people from owning guns that drank heavily or have depression it could prevent a lot of suicides (think red flag laws which many places are now implementing).
Mijbr090490 t1_j9yzh15 wrote
You can own a gun. Just can't buy one unless you want to lie. They can't access the MMJ database for a background check. You can buy long guns private party with no background check. Keep your card tucked somewhere safe unless you are getting from the dispo and don't have it on your person when in possession of a firearm.
MaybeADumbass t1_ja0amov wrote
>They can't access the MMJ database for a background check.
For now. That was changed by an executive order from Wolf. It can be undone in an instant by any other governor.
You cannot legally own a gun in any state if you use cannabis because federal prohibition makes any user a prohibited person.
joeco316 t1_ja11x2m wrote
How would this actually be enforced? For the purposes of this question, let’s assume that the mmj database remains how it is now, inaccessible. Let’s say someone owns guns and has a medical marijuana card and medical marijuana. How would this violation be enforced, and by whom? Can local police arrest you for violating a federal but not state law? Can they “call in” feds if they discover this violation? Assuming you don’t have federal law enforcement officers investigating you for another reason, how would you come onto their radar?
MaybeADumbass t1_jaafzac wrote
I'm honestly not sure. I think it's automatically illegal to possess a gun by PA law if you are a prohibited person by federal law or something like that but I am not a lawyer. I know that if you fail a background check the prosecution is done locally under PA law so it would make sense.
I would assume then that being caught with weed and a firearm in PA could be prosecuted even with a MMJ card, since you're a prohibited person by federal law. Supposedly just having a valid MMJ card (from any state) is evidence that someone is a user, so likewise I think being caught with just an MMJ card and a firearm (e.g. in a traffic stop or a visit to your house for something unrelated) could be prosecuted.
I don't know how likely that would be, but If I had an MMJ card, I would absolutely keep it 100% separate from anything firearm-related all the time. That's not a risk I would take but I'd guess most people would be OK for years.
What I would truly worry about is if the PSP were given access to the database again.
They already have access to the database(s) of people with a License to Carry Firearms . If they had access to the database(s) of MMJ card holders, it would be a pretty simple task to compare the names on one to the names on the other and see who lands on both. Anyone with an MMJ card older than their LCTF has automatically committed a felony and they have their signature on the proof. They can be prosecuted with just a little bit of paperwork. Everyone else could have their LCTF immediately revoked at least since they're known to be prohibited.
I'm not sure what they are allowed to do with the record of handgun transfers, you'd have to ask a lawyer. It wouldn't be hard to match people up, but I don't know whether they could prosecute you if you had an MMJ card when you did a transfer, but it's also a felony since you lied on the form and that would technically be proof. I think they could more easily prosecute anyone going forward. It probably wouldn't be difficult to link the MMJ database(s) to the PICS check and fail you when you try to buy a gun. If they didn't do that they could still easily cross-reference afterward and prosecute you just as easily.
I don't recommend owning firearms and holding an MMJ card at the same time, but if someone decided to do it, I'd suggest not buying any handguns or new long guns and absolutely not applying for (or renewing!) a License to Carry Firearms as long as you hold it.
tempestveil t1_j9yhemv wrote
If our state Govt wouldn't sit on their hands for years on end and passed some SENSIBLE EDIBLE LAWS FOR MEDICAL PATIENTS, then this most likely wouldnt even be happening.
Pennsylvanias ability to not act on things ends up hurting itself long term every time.
GDviber t1_j9yjqbr wrote
Why just medical? That will just keep the black market thriving for recreational users. Stop criminalizing plants.
tempestveil t1_j9yz1il wrote
I was just saying that because our Med program is already fairly well running compared to our "legal" neighbor states. I totally agree with you haha.
HeyImGilly t1_j9zqw0z wrote
They sell edibles medically already, just not in the form most people are used to. There’s capsules, tincture, and RSO that are all edible and do the same thing as THC gummies, just aren’t in gummy form.
thehoagieboy t1_j9z4r6c wrote
AITTFHWI - Am I the tin foil hat wearing idiot? This recent fentanyl crap is sketchy? There's no benefit to a drug dealer spiking their product and killing the people buying from them. There is no benefit to a Delta 8 company spiking their product that they sell. BUT, you know where the benefit is? People who want Delta 8 illegal. People who have lost the "just say no" drug war and figure the only way to make them stop is to scare them with the threat of death. If my tin foil hat didn't just fall off I would start to suspect someone else with an agenda.
insofarincogneato t1_j9z86j1 wrote
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence... It's way more likely some dude handling drugs was negligent, had cross contamination and didn't have the oversight to make sure the product was safe. That's what happens when profits are first priority.
thehoagieboy t1_j9z96bc wrote
OK, that might explain the drug dealer. How about the Delta 8 company? No way that's a "plant" for the anti groups to get their way?
insofarincogneato t1_j9zcycu wrote
That would require a lot of trustworthy product to be made with a lot of money earned just to throw it away to make a little bit of untrustworthy product without the group being greedy and maintaining profits. It also requires running a tight enough ship to have zero info-sec issues. The organization and backing for that from a bunch of small groups working together would have to be colossal. You believe the likelihood of that?
Anyway, unsafe products from major corporations leave the factory all the time because of negligence. Recalls only happen when there's been a government mandate or that get too much bad publicity.
Why would a large corporation allow folks to hurt their bottom line otherwise? We have a long history of large businesses shutting down lobbying and advocacy groups.
I'm not saying it isn't a conspiracy, I'm saying there's other more common explanations.
Weekly_Ad6452 t1_ja01a5m wrote
Good point. All one has to do is look up the Ford Pinto on Google. Ford made the decision to just pay out in lawsuits than to end up spending more $ to ultimately solve the defect in their own factories.
thehoagieboy t1_ja2222p wrote
So if I understand you correctly, you're implying that the company that is producing Delta 8 THC products has some cross contamination issues with Fentanyl? OK, that might make sense if the same company that makes the delta-8 products ALSO makes fentanyl. I'm not aware of that being the case, are you?
I'm not ready to blame the Tylenol manufacturers for the 1982 Tylenol laced with potassium cyanide. Why would that have been in the manufacturing plant at all?
I really try to not be a tin foil hat person, but they're making it easier.
insofarincogneato t1_ja2nox6 wrote
I want to stress again that I'm not implying anything, I'm talking about common situations that may reasonably happen which would offer a logical explanation in place of a hypothesis that isn't based on fact or common practices about a hidden malicious agenda.
Tin foil hat moment though if you like, but if they did use it to cut costs and make the product, or other inferior products illegally that could lead to cross contamination, would you necessarily be aware that that's the case? What does regulation, inspection and enforcement look like in the industry?🤔
Potassium cyanide is used commercially for printing, dyeing, metal cleaning, and electroplating. As well as other uses that probably aren't relevant here... all reasonable jobs one might expect in a production facility.
Johnson and Johnson makes a lot of stuff, from pharmaceuticals to medical instruments. I think that if folks couldn't think of a reason why that compound would be there they either aren't trying hard enough or have a bit of bias to look past.
The J&J case is extra sus when we remember other suits brought up against them, specifically the asbestos contaminated talc that was found in their baby powder which everyone knew about.
insofarincogneato t1_j9zdexh wrote
Edited my last reply slightly Incase you miss it 👍
windowlatch t1_ja0nyw1 wrote
It’s rarely ever intentionally laced in things other than opioids. It’s much more likely to be cross-contaminated from sketchy basement dealers that forget to cleans their scales and other equipment. These products should all be legalized and federally regulated to ensure that this kind of stuff doesn’t happen.
thehoagieboy t1_ja2263m wrote
That possibly explains the drug dealer part, but not the legally manufacturing part.
You're right on the legalization though.
AfterSport2327 t1_j9zkegr wrote
They’re putting that shit in literally everything. One of my buddy’s coworkers just died from fetty laced shit
Another-random-acct t1_ja04muw wrote
fent laced what? I’ve never seen anything credible indicating weed is being laced with fent. It seems like police fear mongering to me.
AfterSport2327 t1_ja04z2r wrote
It wasn’t tree I’ll just say that but it was a different drug where it makes no sense to be cut with.
Another-random-acct t1_ja053vt wrote
You can’t say what drug? I assume they did a blood test to confirm?
AfterSport2327 t1_ja05dsg wrote
Literally just told me a couple weeks ago I’m guessing there still doing the tests. He told he was into meth
Another-random-acct t1_ja0erei wrote
Damn. Yea I wouldn’t expect that.
thehoagieboy t1_j9zl1dx wrote
Why though? Are they trying to cut the main drug to make it last longer?
AfterSport2327 t1_j9zl9dr wrote
Idk I’m kind of with you on the tin foil hat thing I feel like it’s deeper then what people think for whatever reason
speakez421 t1_ja07i29 wrote
I’ve had friends die from fent laces coke and Xanax over the past couple of years. They are cutting it into fucking everything to make their drugs seem “stronger”. It works if it doesn’t kill you.
vaxinate t1_j9ylaop wrote
This very article says that in the past most of the other times that folks have claimed that d8/9 THC gummies were spiked with fentanyl or heroin it’s been ultimately unverifiable. Why should anyone take this seriously without a real federal investigation having been completed?
IamSauerKraut t1_j9zpfch wrote
Why does it need to be investigate by the feds? DA can ask the state lab for assistance in getting the products tested and the presence of fentanyl confirmed or debunked.
Bogart_The_Bong t1_j9zdbcb wrote
Want to know how Pennsylvania can make sure this doesn't happen?
Legalize recreational marijuana and stop this nonsense. State oversight can put an end to mislabeled drugs.
tehmlem t1_j9yt1i0 wrote
I look forward to the follow up on this. From the inexplicable motive on behalf of the manufacturer to it being tested in a national guard lab, this whole thing feels like drug panic.
billfriedman9987 t1_j9ynf42 wrote
Delta 8 and all the garbage that goes along with it is a direct result to making cannabis illegal.. give people real stuff and regulate it all
ahtzib t1_j9yqkqy wrote
You do know d8 exists naturally in “real” cannabis as well, right? Its not some new laboratory concoction.
billfriedman9987 t1_j9yqq2c wrote
I know, but its unregulated which means that you can get all sorts of other random shit in your stuff.
dclxvi616 t1_ja25mco wrote
I mean, I'm pretty sure there are currently regulations prohibiting the distribution of fentanyl additives in a cup of coffee, let alone Delta-8.
djarvis77 t1_j9ydxta wrote
Why would you spike delta 8 gummies?
Is the presumption here that they think they can get people addicted? Cuz, if they are trying to kill people, then wouldn't they use something more deadly and less fun?
Either way, they were found. Or at least, found out. I hope the Strictly Delta (ironic name btw) people are found. But this all seems like the system is working as hoped.
Assholes spiked some shit, the shit got found out, the fed or local leo are on the hunt and well, there were are.
Maybe there is a weakness in the supply/regulation chain. I wonder why we don't hear about this kinda thing with booze, food or smokes?
PocketSpaghettios t1_j9yhdi8 wrote
It's most likely cross-contamination. Your average drug dealer is not following laboratory cleaning or food service allergen protocols between products
colieolieravioli t1_j9yhpn1 wrote
He's not!?
GDviber t1_j9yiwxy wrote
Just a guess but it's probably cheaper to spike with Fentanyl than use the full Mg. dose of D8. It's almost always about the money.
ahtzib t1_j9yq9iu wrote
I would find that highly unlikely. D8 is cheap as dirt if you buy in bulk.
snuffy_tentpeg t1_j9ya87p wrote
I didn't see any reference to the FDA in the article. I wonder if they will get involved in the investigation.
MonsterNog t1_j9zz5ij wrote
That store owner definitely bought some illegal black market shit on the low, the companies the bags came from are huge corporations and this only affected 3 stores all in the same area.
bayb33gurl t1_ja88jyk wrote
Exactly what I'm thinking! Urb is a decent trustworthy company in the D8 world, they do 3rd party labs and everything so this smells of black market replicated items.
ChiefinLasVegas t1_j9yvfwy wrote
Urb is generally known as one of the reputable brands of d8/d9 hemp derived products.
Not familiar with “Strictly Delta” but now know to avoid them at all cost! I think I see where the DA is going, because the 3 brands were sold at Tobacco Hut, but if Urb and Packwoods are blameless (no traces of opioids found in their products) why group them with the “Strictly Delta” products which were the only out of the 3 brands tested to have dangerous traces of opioids?
On another note, anyone buying from this chain of stores really should think again. I’ve gotten that same Urb d9 100mg edible package shown in the story for $20 at another local shop. No way I’d ever spend $44.99 for 100mg.
Price gouging much Tobacco Hut?
Edit: Made adjustments to align with the facts outlined in the article, specifically on which 1 brand was found to have traces of heroin and fentanyl.
illegalize-it t1_ja0hrp3 wrote
Ehh, Urb used to be good but now they sell carts with “THC-JD” which is untested chemical soup
kingplutohendrix t1_j9zbb28 wrote
I worked at the tobacco hut in this story and the prices were insane lol.
bayb33gurl t1_ja87iur wrote
>Urb is generally known as one of the reputable brands of d8/d9 hemp derived products.
This is what stood out to me when I read the article. I mainly stick with 3Chi but I have had Urb gummies before that I purchased at a very reputable place, same place that sells my 3chi. This place only sells items that have the breakdown test results of what's in it and so my question is, are these ones that were sold in the shops from the article "replicas" I know we saw that in the vape market, even brands like Puff Bar was being replicated and they had to start putting verification codes that you would input on their site to see if it was an authentic product bc many were completely replicated and considered dangerous (more dangerous I should say since vaping isn't the healthiest idea either)
ChiefinLasVegas t1_ja959u4 wrote
I think the other d8/d9 gummy brands that did not test for those opioids (out of an abundance of caution) were removed along side the “Strictly Delta” brand which was found to have traces of fentanyl, heroin and K2.
The article also mentions “Strictly Delta could not be reached for comment” but there’s no mention of contacting the other companies, Urb & Packwoods.
ArcherChase t1_j9zus0y wrote
This shouldn't come as a shock. Do these same people buy the sketchy gas station boner pills and wonder why the left side of their face gets frozen or what not?
BroadbandEng t1_ja0nw31 wrote
A) Legalize it.
B) Time to get myself a medical card.
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mbz321 t1_ja10x6g wrote
As a side note, is anyone else's town flooded with 'smoke shops' popping up everywhere? I swear on one small stretch of road near me there are like 4, not counting two gas stations that also sell the same shit. How is this a sustainable business model?
hugephillyliberal t1_ja2ykes wrote
Yes. They are even starting to outpace Dollar Stores.
wearealldoomed69 t1_ja1nsgc wrote
The lesson here is not that delta 8 is bad, the lesson is that people should purchase their delta 8 from a reputable company that has 3rd party lab tests on their products. The issue doesn’t stop here because I think smoke shops get away with far too much, the amount of counterfeit products in smoke shops is astounding.
bayb33gurl t1_ja887k7 wrote
The thing is one of the items is from Urb, which does 3rd party test and I am having suspicions that it might be a replica issues just like we saw with vapes. The only two things to draw from this is either companies (like Urb) who 3rd party test can't be trusted or illegitimate companies are posing as reputable D8 companies, using their packaging and selling fake products that look like the real brand.
GDviber t1_j9yjbh5 wrote
This is what the government will use to make all delta illegal unless it comes from government-regulated sources. They will control the supply and tax the hell out of it. Just like alcohol.
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insofarincogneato t1_j9z7ox4 wrote
And having it illegal is how we got antifreeze in moonshine.
What do you expect from a government service while operating under a free market system?
bayb33gurl t1_ja88svl wrote
Yup, the DEA just announced Delta 8, Delta 9 and THC-O are considered controlled substances so we'll see where this goes now.
GDviber t1_ja8nglj wrote
Yep. Fucking prohibition. Works every time...not.
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Designer_Scallion718 t1_j9z7vrx wrote
The best way to know your medicine is safe is to grow your own.
AfterSport2327 t1_j9zjr83 wrote
Wtf is going on man..this shit is getting rediculous
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mainelinerzzzzz t1_ja2ultp wrote
False flag!
atlashoth t1_j9zqzvw wrote
It's like buying those rhino dick pills at Sunoco and expecting a good outcome.
EllesAway t1_ja1fisc wrote
Weird. I thought THC gummies were illegal here. Delta-9 or Delta-8 are totally different from THC. The two should not be confused.
bayb33gurl t1_ja8908h wrote
I wouldn't say totally different, you can fail a THC test by consuming Delta 8. It's hemp derived but still THC.
mcristoforo t1_j9ytbn2 wrote
Lucky! Says Napoleon Dynamite.
Mijbr090490 t1_j9yaqpn wrote
Legalize it. This unregulated delta 8 shit floating around is unsafe trash. Spice, k2 and now this. If marijuana was legal there wouldn't be much appeal for the "legal" alternatives.